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Outer Space Mormons
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PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service        02/05/92        7:23 PM
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TOPIC:    BOOKS/NONFICTION
TO:       PHJX44A
SUBJECT:  MORMON & OUTER SPACE
DATE:     02/05/1992


Siriusly Jas
There is not much written on this subject YET.  About the
only source for "the outer space stuff" is the book of
abraham.  There are also some scattered references in the
D&C.  It seems that the planet on which God resides is a
giant urim and thummim.  When he looks into his planet, all
things, past, present and future are manifest for their
glory.  The most interesting thing about this is that
mormons believe that this will be the eventual state of this
earth.  God, star drive, and

              Orion's Dog

                         proclus


PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service        02/07/92        3:27 PM
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TOPIC:    BOOKS/NONFICTION
TO:       JBGD79B
SUBJECT:  MORMON & OUTER SPACE
DATE:     02/07/1992


Actually no Jas,
When mormons say in the articles of faith that the earth
will receive its paradaisical glory, what they mean is that
eventually this very earth will be transformed into a giant
blazing urim and thummim, just like God's planet.  Future
gods will conduct their godly business from a glorified
planet known as the spaceship earth.  totally sirius proclus


PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service        02/07/92        3:50 PM
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TOPIC:    BOOKS/NONFICTION
TO:       BHHG55A
SUBJECT:  MORMON & OUTER SPACE
DATE:     02/07/1992


Lighten up Barb!
We are reveling in religious variety as infinite and
gloriuos as the stars. This is what we inherited from our
fathers. THIS is what they died for, and if they didn't they
should have. Your proposing a kind of tyranny that doesn't
allow one to talk about others religion.  Maybe your
ancestors are the ones turning in their tombs.
freely.

       unbound

              proclus


PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service        02/08/92       11:55 AM
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TOPIC:    BOOKS/NONFICTION
TO:       GGFM99A
SUBJECT:  MORMON & OUTER SPACE
DATE:     02/08/1992


Most of the solar systems in the galaxy are two star
systems, one star rotating around another.  It is
interesting to wonder if monotheism would have arisen here
if we had had two suns.  Oliblish seems to be the companion
of kolob.
               double star
                          proclus


PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service        02/09/92        2:11 PM
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TOPIC:    BOOKS/NONFICTION
TO:       KBHD86A
SUBJECT:  MORMON & OUTER SPACE
DATE:     02/09/1992


Steph
As you seem to have noticed, there is some ambiguity with
respect to the way people talk about kolob.  A strict
reading of the book of abraham shows that the mormon god
lives on a planet near a star called kolob.  As for the
exact whereabouts of kolob, little is known.  Members on the
board will be the first to point out that there is no
official doctrine on the subject.  Still, it is possible to
make some educated geusses.  The stellar initiatory cults of
the mesopotamean basin held to doctrines that were very
similar to moromonism in this regard.  They placed god near
the the dog star, Sirius.  Others suggest Polaris or the
center of the galaxy, but I find this one doubtful since it
is currently thought that no life supporting planets could
exist in that region of the galaxy.  My wife and I were
talking about this just last night and for certain technical
reasons we feel that kolob may be located outside our
universe.  Really, the only way to know for sure is to go
find it.  When are we leaving?

                              outward

                                     proclus


PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service        02/09/92        2:33 PM
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TOPIC:   BOOKS/NONFICTION
TIME:    02/08  3:41 PM

TO:      MICHAEL LOVE   (BXXF11A)
FROM:    STEPHENIE ORRIS   (KBHD86A)
SUBJECT: MORMON & OUTER SPACE

Proclus, WHERE exactly does the Mormon god live? I have
heard of Kolob. I think that's where my Aunt Ada came from
but she never mentioned a star in the near vicinity. She did
mention Quakers AND Amish. But maybe that's because she
lived her 'earthly' life in Pennsylvania!
                  Beam me up, Proclus!
                      Starphenie


PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service        02/09/92        2:33 PM
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TIME:    02/09  1:14 AM

TO:      STEPHENIE ORRIS   (KBHD86A)
FROM:    LAWRENCE LEE   (BSCC90A)
SUBJECT: MORMON & OUTER SPACE

Stephenie,
  "Starphenie"? I liked that. I have perused these
bulletins, especially between you and Michael, and gained
much pleasure at your lighthearted manner of dealing with
what we Mormons deem sacred. If we are able to provied you
with joy over what we believe, I will accept that. Our joy
may be a little different than yours but joy is what this
world needs today more than anything else. Although some of
us Mormons have a tendancy to get a little offended now and
then, we try to remain objective in our goal of love for all
mankind. You are our brothers and sisters folks so we obey
our Father with our love for you. This medium does not
permit face to face meetings here and now but one day that
joy will be granted us. I look forward to continuing with
your wit and lightheartedness. Until I am beamed up, I'll
just have to go on being just loving and understanding of
human nature and steadfast in my belief of what I deem
sacred being ever careful to do the same for those who
believe differently from me.

                             Larry


PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service        02/09/92        2:36 PM
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TIME:    02/09  1:39 PM

TO:      ALL
FROM:    JASON ROCCO   (JBGD79B)
SUBJECT: MORMON & OUTER SPACE

Welcome to the star ship Prod**y. Our mission is to boldly
go where no man has gone before.  To discover unknown
planets that may be inhabited by Quaker look alikes.  And to
uncover the mysteries of Mormonism.

         Captain Jason T. Kirk  ( Flying solo )


PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service        02/09/92        2:47 PM
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TOPIC:    BOOKS/NONFICTION
TO:       JBGD79B
SUBJECT:  MORMON & OUTER SPACE
DATE:     02/09/1992


One of my mormon engineer associates said this morning that
the liahona (you might remember this artifact from the BOM)
was a "device".  The urim and thummim by which Joseph is
said to have translated the BOM is also often thought of as
a device, maybe like a kolob transciever.  This attitude is
not uncommon among mormons who tend to see god's actions as
a kind of advanced technology. (This brings up an
interesting technical problem with respect to the origin of
law in the universe.  I intend to discuss this in detail at
a later date in MORMONS DAVE HUNT)

The point here is that all of this stands in stark contrast
to the xtian god who is generally thought to be entirely
supernatural in his operations and outside of space and
time.

I'm ready for an update.
                        proclus


PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service        02/10/92        6:09 PM
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TOPIC:   BOOKS/NONFICTION
TIME:    02/09 10:25 PM

TO:      MICHAEL LOVE   (BXXF11A)
FROM:    GRANT JOHNSON   (FKGS58A)
SUBJECT: MORMON & OUTER SPACE

Mike:

The Book of Mormon gives an account of the resurrected
Christ visiting the ancient inhabitants of the American
Continent shortly after His resurrection.  The point being,
that He descended from the sky without the use of any
"technology" that we can determine! It was supernatural.
What are you trying to insinuate when you say that we
believe God to be limited to using some super technology?

I believe that by His perfect FAITH He has all POWER, and
can command the elements and they will obey Him, for they
are all intelligences in their own right, and the earth and
elements obey Him.  This is not technology!  This is the
POWER of God, and it is related to faith and obedience. It's
time for you to beam back down to earth.

                                        Grant


PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service        02/10/92        6:20 PM
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TOPIC:    BOOKS/NONFICTION
TO:       FKGS58A
SUBJECT:  MORMON & OUTER SPACE
DATE:     02/10/1992


Grant

You said it.  Jesus deacended from the sky without the aid
of any technology THAT WE CAN ASCERTAIN.  This is merely
another version of Clarke's definition of advanced
technology.  Your assertion that it was purely supernatural
is merely blatant.
The ability to understand and control the intelligences of
the earth can  easily be seen as another form of technology.

I am not stating these speculations as fact; however, they
are at least as plausible as yours and far more interesting.

material world

              proclus


PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service        02/10/92        6:21 PM
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TIME:    02/09 10:26 PM

TO:      MICHAEL LOVE   (BXXF11A)
FROM:    JASON ROCCO   (JBGD79B)
SUBJECT: MORMON & OUTER SPACE

Wow.. so what your saying is that Joe Smith may have
discovered some kind of alien communicator ?  Maybe when one
of those UFOs stopped by they forgot it?  Wow.. this blows
my mind... what a theory? You mean all that time Smith could
have been talking with guys circling the universe?

        Jas ( With the blown mind )


PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service        02/10/92        6:24 PM
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TOPIC:    BOOKS/NONFICTION
TO:       JBGD79B
SUBJECT:  MORMON & OUTER SPACE
DATE:     02/10/1992


Jas
That is precisely what I am saying!  Remember this.  In the
mormon universe, revelation is extraterrestrial
communication.  The seeing stones are merely a more
efficient medium.
                 beep beep
                          proclus


PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service        02/10/92        6:38 PM
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TOPIC:   BOOKS/NONFICTION
TIME:    02/10 10:47 AM

TO:      GRANT JOHNSON   (FKGS58A)
FROM:    ANDREW MCGUIRE   (FKSP88A)
SUBJECT: MORMON & OUTER SPACE

Grant,
  What is "technology" but the use of knowledge to
manipulate matter?  The supernatural is no more than
technology that lies beyond the grasp of the knowledge and
the imagination of the observer.
  Call it supernatural, call it technology, call it
priesthood.  It's all the same.                  -Andy


PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service        02/12/92        4:55 PM
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TOPIC:   BOOKS/NONFICTION
TIME:    02/11  2:28 PM

TO:      ANDREW MCGUIRE   (FKSP88A)
FROM:    GRANT JOHNSON   (FKGS58A)
SUBJECT: MORMON & OUTER SPACE

Andy:

I can agree with you. However, the context of the statements
being made lead me to think that the term "technology" means
only one of the things that you mentioned: slick machinery
to help God get around.  This is false and is not what LDS
believes. There's too many scriptural accounts where Jesus
"said the word" and things happened. It wasn't technology.
It was His word, and it was power to command and have things
obey Him.

He calmed the sea by saying "peace be still."  By His word,
the elements OBEYED Him.  It is the same power by which He
formed the earth.


PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service        02/12/92        4:56 PM
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TOPIC:   BOOKS/NONFICTION
TIME:    02/11  2:28 PM

TO:      MICHAEL LOVE   (BXXF11A)
FROM:    GRANT JOHNSON   (FKGS58A)
SUBJECT: MORMON & OUTER SPACE

Mike:

If FAITH can be equated with the term "technology" then I
can agree with you. But these words have entirely different
meanings, and you know it. Christ operated by FAITH. Even
the "infallible bible" teaches this. See Hebrews 11:29-30
etc.
The power of FAITH is so SUPERIOR to any technology that we
presently have, that it is injustice to equate FAITH with
technology.  Technology is the power by which even evil men
and women can do "miraculous" things, like television.

This in NO WAY compares to "peace, be still."

                                             Grant


PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service        02/12/92        5:07 PM
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TOPIC:    BOOKS/NONFICTION
TO:       FKGS58A
SUBJECT:  MORMON & OUTER SPACE
DATE:     02/12/1992


Grant

On faith, the question is, faith in what?  Think of the
following story in an allegorical way since the ways of god
are hidden from man.  I begin to have faith that god will
fulfill one of his promises to me.  Meanwhile, back on kolob
god is watching his "faith-meter".  When it reaches a
certain value, he operates the machinary that gives me a
blessing.  Do I really think that this is the way it
happens?  No, of course not!  All of this must be AUTOMATED.

There is not one miracle you mentioned that could not have a
physical explanation.  We are not informed on the method of
god.  When we do certain things, certain things happen.
Faith is merely one of the requirements.

material world!
               proclus
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