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Subject:
ancient astronomy
Date:
Thu, 08 Oct 1998 08:50:31 -0500
From:
Michael Love
To:
Andy Mcguire , Kathleen McGuire ,
"R. Trent Reynolds" , "Theurgus@aol.com" ,
"jswick@cris.com" , "rds@acsu.buffalo.edu" ,
"proclus@mac.com" ,
"rpcman@hotmail.com" , "dcombe@rain.org"
I found a fascinating voluminous web site for reading. Here is the link.
http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/JNHDA/
I found this because of Chapter 5, which makes all the connections
explicit between the Chaldean Oracles, Proclus, and Kepler's theory of
planetary motion. Golden ratio and spiral fans should find plenty for
their enjoyment as well. Enjoy!
proclus
BTW, Speaking of the golden ratio, I recently saw the movie Pi. What a
mindblower! Retro William Gibson with cabala, rabbis, savants, and
black ops thrown in for good measure. See the movie, but take an asprin
to avoid migraine.
Subject:
Stirring the pot...
Date:
Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:58:16 -0400
From:
"McGuire, Andy"
To:
'Michael Love' , Andy Mcguire ,
Kathleen McGuire , "R. Trent Reynolds" ,
Theurgus@aol.com, jswick@cris.com, rds@acsu.buffalo.edu, rpcman@hotmail.com,
dcombe@rain.org
The mutant list has been so quiet. Is it time to stir the pot?
It was 17 years ago today that I entered the MTC, bound for the Pennsylvania
Philadelphia mission. How have I mutated in those years?
THEN NOW
Mormon Wiccan
Straight Bi-Sexual
Prayer Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram
Single Married 15 years, 3 kids
No girlfriend Possible boyfriend
Coke Coffee
Chocolate LSD
Non-Smoker Non-Smoker (I have to retain SOME sane behavior)
1973 Honda CB350F 1972 Honda CB350F
Book of Mormon Illuminatus by R. A. Wilson
Bible Equinox by A. Crowley
Sacrament Meeting The Great Rite
Chronic Depression Happier than I have ever been
Never met Mike Love Corrupted by Mike Love, best mission companion in
the galaxy
Comments? Calls to repentance? Ignore me in the hopes that I will go away?
-AJ
Subject:
Re: Stirring the pot...
Date:
Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:27:31 -0400 (EDT)
From:
Theurgus@aol.com
To:
Andy.McGuire@psc.bellhowell.com, proclus@mac.com, MCGUIREA@a1.bellhow.com,
kathleen@enol.com, trent@goodnet.com, jswick@cris.com, rds@acsu.buffalo.edu,
rpcman@hotmail.com, dcombe@rain.org
A.J.
I was in the same Mission 74-76 under Hugh Pinnock and Kenneth Godfrey.
It kind of made me nuts in a way...I was feeling so sane and centered before
I went....I came back as a guilt ridden religious obsessive. The summer of
'76 found me back in Blackfoot, Idaho feeling pretty lost and aimless.
But the strange thing is that there was a little wierd bookstore in Pocatello
that carried all kinds of far-out stuff like occult, communist and porno
books.
I was probably cruising for porno when my eyes lit upon the sexy cover of
the first edition of "Cosmic Trigger". I was seized with sense of
"recognition"
as well as a "freshening" sensation. I had no idea of who Wilson was or what
the book might be about, but I bought it and hurried home almost furtively
with it.
All my life since then has simply been the aftermath of reading that book.
My sons and I are now under the dicipline of a Sufi teacher, and I have to
say that these guys are for real.
Kenneth Shaw
Subject:
Re: Stirring the pot...
Date:
Fri, 16 Oct 1998 01:11:54 -0500
From:
Michael Love
To:
Andy Mcguire ,
Kathleen McGuire , "R. Trent Reynolds" ,
"Theurgus@aol.com" , "jswick@cris.com" ,
"rds@acsu.buffalo.edu" ,
"proclus@mac.com" ,
"rpcman@hotmail.com" ,
"dcombe@rain.org"
References:
1
Andy, what a wonderful idea. I was on the road out of the Church.
Several close friends had been ex'ed. I would not have gone on a
mission, if not for the conversion experience that I had in '79. It
came at the end of a long pot/sex/lsd binge. It was my first straight
day in months that I cracked the bible and became yer mother's worst
nightmare ;-}. I will never deny the Spirit's infuence on these events,
but here is a dangerous conjecture; I would not have returned to
Mormonism, if my imprints had not been loosened by the elixer. Was I
impressed with Mormonism because I was made receptive by my excesses? I
believe that there are parallels in the BOM conversion stories.
In 1981, like Ammon of old, I became a missionary.
Here's my list.
GREEN MISSIONARY MUTANT RM
Mormon Occult Mormon Wiccan Pagan
Reformed Straight Monogamous Poly wannabee
Prayer Extraterrestrial Communication
Single Married 15 years, 2 kids
Likes girls better Still
Coke Jolt
Ephidrine Smart Cocktail
Former Smoker Finally, maybe a non-smoker (nicotine sucks)
Bicycle Better Bicycle
None Dare Call it a Cosmic Trigger by R. A. Wilson
Conspiracy
Bible The web
Sacrament Meeting Temple Rites
Very Happy Still
Alone in my Friend of Andy
strangeness
Here's a few more.
Spencer W. Kimball Timothy Leary
Bruce R. McKonkie Robert Anson Heinlein
Neal Maxwell Aleister Crowley
Republican Democrat/Libertarian
Commandments Rationalizations
Rules Anarchy
Premonition Realization
No Compass Compass set
Now, I'm going to describe a recent experiment. There is an ecstacy
beyond which is the total annihilation of the self. Coming back from
that point is very disconcerting. I remember this feeling once, after
dental surgury. The doctor asked that I bring a friend with me to be
there when I woke up. That way I'd be in a dark room with a familiar
voice (my Mother's) to lead me back across the abyss. Still, her voice
seemed distant and alien at first. I pulled the lever of my
consciousness, but I was simutaneously the lever itself.
The alternative to the guided trip is a shocking freak out. Being in
the body seems quite alien as if experienced for the first time. One
reaches out for one's memories, and grasps after one's experiences in
the body. One casts one's eyes about, searching for familiar artifacts.
Moments stretch out, without bound. One relects that an eterity in the
body, is infinitely preferable to an eternity out of the body, that we
are vast intelligences priviledged to dwell in the material plane. This
experience is easily triggered with a variety of anasthetics, some of
them seemingly quite harmless, including sodium barbitol, ether, nitrous
oxide, and probably ketamine and GHB as well.
Anyway, I've performed this experiment many times in the past, but I did
it again recently, and coming back, my mind snapped back to this group,
which I love, and particularly to Ken. Clearly, your influence has sunk
deep into my soul. This group has become a symbol of my interaction
with, and operation on the world. Reaching across the void, I am
honoured to be in your virtual presence. I am reminded that we have
constructed these handy biogenetic matrices (our bodies) for ourselves
so that the universe can have some friends. I hope that we can help
each other accomplish our brightest dreams.
Many Regards,
proclus
BTW, I'm considering writing a book. My wife says that she is going to
publish my notes after I'm dead. Maybe I will beat her to the punch so
that she won't be my editor! It is tough to argue with the editor, when
your dead ;-}. Here is a little gem from Michael Moorcock that I found.
"For the mind of Man alone is free to explore the lofty vastness of the
cosmic infinite, to transcend ordinary consciousness, to roam the secret
corridors of the brain where past, present, and future melt into one...
And universe and individual are linked, the one mirrored in the other,
and each contains the other."
---- Chronicle of the Black Sword
"McGuire, Andy" wrote:
>
> The mutant list has been so quiet. Is it time to stir the pot?
>
> It was 17 years ago today that I entered the MTC, bound for the Pennsylvania
> Philadelphia mission. How have I mutated in those years?
>
> THEN NOW
>
> Mormon Wiccan
> Straight Bi-Sexual
> Prayer Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram
> Single Married 15 years, 3 kids
> No girlfriend Possible boyfriend
> Coke Coffee
> Chocolate LSD
> Non-Smoker Non-Smoker (I have to retain SOME sane behavior)
> 1973 Honda CB350F 1972 Honda CB350F
> Book of Mormon Illuminatus by R. A. Wilson
> Bible Equinox by A. Crowley
> Sacrament Meeting The Great Rite
> Chronic Depression Happier than I have ever been
> Never met Mike Love Corrupted by Mike Love, best mission companion in
> the galaxy
>
> Comments? Calls to repentance? Ignore me in the hopes that I will go away?
>
> -AJ
Subject:
FW: Stirring the pot...
Date:
Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:25:37 -0400
From:
"McGuire, Andy"
To:
"McGuire, Andy" ,
"'proclus@mac.com'" , "'kathleen@enol.com'" ,
"'trent@goodnet.com'" , "'jswick@cris.com'" ,
"'rds@acsu.buffalo.edu'" , "'rpcman@hotmail.com'" ,
"'dcombe@rain.org'"
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randall Shortridge [SMTP:rds@acsu.buffalo.edu]
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 10:57 AM
> To: McGuire, Andy
> Subject: Re: Stirring the pot...
>
>
> Wow, Andy. I am not one who judges anyone, but you sure put my jaw on the
> floor. ;-)
>
> Now I am curious.... How does your wife react to you having a 'boyfriend'?
>
[McGuire, Andy] I will be allowing my wife to respond directly to that.
She is on this list as kathleen@enol.com. During the same period that I
figured out I am bi-sexual, Kathleen concluded that she is lesbian. We were
young and naive when we married...
>
> I won't push this to the entire list because I already hit the wrong
> button
> (sender only) and don't know how to undo it. Maybe you can forward it to
> the
> rest if you like.
>
> Let me ask a question and make a comment Maybe it won't help. If it
> doesn't,
> then just toss it into the recycle bin. ;-)
>
> Have you ever read the books by Max Skousen (A Blessing Hiterto Unknown,
> Vol 1
> and 2)? I found some things valuble in them. Skousen pointed out that
> cheribum
> and the flaming sword guards the tree of life and prevents us from taking
> of the
> Tree of Life prematurely. When we realize that we are living in the
> preparatory
> gospel, we come out of it to begin the diet of meat rather than milk.
> However,
> in our newfound freedom (no longer under the carnal law), we are just at a
> second level on the path and have not arrived like we think we have. If
> we
> partook of the Tree of Life at this time, we would turn our life into
> liscense.
> So, there is a barrier until we pass the sword (third level) and then
> arrive at
> the tree (fourth level). The four levels are represented by the tokens in
> the
> endowment.
>
[McGuire, Andy] Sounds fascinating...worth reading. But I have so little
time for reading these days that I probably won't get to it. Darn.
> Anyway, I am making comment about the liscense part. Are we under no law?
> I
> think we are. We are always under the law of Karma until we have the
> atonement. Unfortunately, the atonement comes to us much later than many
> think. I realize that none (or very few) of the LDS have it in their
> lives.
> That is why there is an admonishment in the endowment to 'become free from
> the
> blood and sins of this generation.'
>
[McGuire, Andy] Are we under no law? Hmmmm. To get to specifics, let me
relate how Kathleen and I view our marriage covenants. When we were living
'under the law' it would have been sin for me to have a boyfriend or
girlfriend. Why? Because the external God/Church authority said so and we
felt bound to it. Now we define fidelity in terms of honesty and
permission. The man whose attentions I am currently pursuing has Kathleen's
stamp of approval. She has granted me permission to share any intimacy with
him. I must also disclose all that he and I do together, if Kathleen wants
to know it. But at any time she can withdraw that permission, and I will be
bound to obey. So I am still 'Under Law', but this time it is a law created
internally within our marriage.
It all depends on how you define "Law". I feel that there is a higher law
that allows us to do as we will, but only within the confines of true love
and of taking ultimate responsibility for our actions.
It reminds me of a quote from Ammon Hennessy, "The problem with laws is that
good people don't need them and bad people don't obey them."
> Just something to think about. I wish you the best and thanks for being
> frank
> and open.
>
> Incidentally, I no longer consider myself LDS so I am not coming from that
> position. I am no longer LDS, a republican, a boyscout, a union member,
> etc.
> etc. If anyone asks me, I just say that 'I am'.
>
> Randall.
>
>
Subject:
Shabbat Shalom everyone
Date:
Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:57:16 -0400 (EDT)
From:
Theurgus@aol.com
To:
proclus@mac.com, MCGUIREA@a1.bellhow.com, kathleen@enol.com, trent@goodnet.com,
jswick@cris.com, rds@acsu.buffalo.edu, rpcman@hotmail.com, dcombe@rain.org
Shabbat Shalom....Sabbath Peace to you all.
3 Nephi 16:13 "But if the Gentiles will repent and return unto me, saith the
Father,
behold they shall be numbered among my people, O House of Israel."
My sons and I are getting ready to attend Shabbat Services at a Synagogue
here in Dallas. To me it is very clear that this is what Jesus is instructing
in
3 Nephi 16...the LDS must be grafted back into the living tree of the House
of Israel.
Kenneth Shaw
Subject:
[Fwd: Yes, we're here. A late response to a question posed last week.. .]
Date:
Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:51:54 -0500
From:
Michael Love
To:
"proclus@mac.com"
Subject:
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Subject:
Yes, we're here. A late response to a question posed last week.. .
Date:
Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:43:49 -0400
From:
"McGuire, Andy"
To:
Theurgus , proclus ,
MCGUIREA , kathleen ,
trent , jswick , rds ,
rpcman , dcombe ,
'Kathleen'
Kathleen sent this to Randall and me, but not to the group. I have been
meaning to share it with ya'll, so here it finally is.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kathleen [SMTP:kathleen@enol.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 10:30 AM
> To: McGuire, Andy; rds@acsu.buffalo.edu
> Subject: Re: FW: Stirring the pot...
>
>
>
> McGuire, Andy wrote:
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Randall Shortridge [SMTP:rds@acsu.buffalo.edu]
> > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 10:57 AM
> > > To: McGuire, Andy
> > > Subject: Re: Stirring the pot...
> > >
> > >
> > > Wow, Andy. I am not one who judges anyone, but you sure put my jaw on
> the
> > > floor. ;-)
> > >
> > > Now I am curious.... How does your wife react to you having a
> 'boyfriend'?
> > >
> >
>
> Randall,
> I am Andy's wife. He thought that I should respond to your question.
>
> First, you need a little background. We have been married almost 15 years
> now.
> After we had been married about 7 years, I enountered a description of
> homosexuality for the first time. As I was reading this description,
> things
> started falling into place for me. I am lesbian. Not bi.
> By this time Andy and I had become best friends so we felt no need to
> split
> up. He was there for the emotional support I needed and we have developed
> a
> very close bond. He has done everything he could to support me in finding
> a
> girlfriend, but so far I have not found anyone.
> I am excited that Andy has found someone that may become his
> boyfriend.
> (Yes, this man also knows about me.) In short, I see this as a
> fulfillment of
> part of his personality and hope that it is a beneficial experience for
> both of
> them. I support him totally in this.
>
> -Kathleen
Subject:
Re: Is anyone out there?
Date:
Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:47:15 -0700
From:
Joe Steve Swick III
To:
Theurgus@aol.com, proclus@mac.com, MCGUIREA@a1.bellhow.com, kathleen@enol.com,
trent@goodnet.com, rds@acsu.buffalo.edu, rpcman@hotmail.com, dcombe@rain.org
Oh, yes! I'm here.... and I look forward to the messages.
Cheers, JSW
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-----Original Message-----
From: Theurgus@aol.com
To: Theurgus@aol.com proclus@mac.com
MCGUIREA@a1.bellhow.com
kathleen@enol.com trent@goodnet.com
jswick@cris.com rds@acsu.buffalo.edu
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dcombe@rain.org
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 11:27 PM
Subject: Is anyone out there?
>Is anyone out there?
>
Subject:
Yahuweh--Fiery Flying Serpent--Comet?
Date:
Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:46:16 -0400 (EDT)
From:
Theurgus@aol.com
To:
proclus@mac.com, MCGUIREA@a1.bellhow.com, kathleen@enol.com, trent@goodnet.com,
jswick@cris.com, rds@acsu.buffalo.edu, rpcman@hotmail.com, dcombe@rain.org
CC:
Theurgus@aol.com
Hail Mutants!
I've been wondering about the strange story of the
"fiery flying serpents" and the "brazen serpent"
story in the book of Exodus. This is a VERY
strange story that ties the cult of Yahuweh back
to the Garden of Eden story and forward to that
Nasseans and Cainite Gnostics who worshiped
the Serpent as Savior (corresponding to the Greek
Prometheus). I found this piece on the earliest
semitic rock inscriptions in the Negev in which the
name of Yahu shows up. Please note the last couple
of paragraphs that show that the earliest image of Yahuweh
was that of a shining serpent. This could also tie into the
Salamander material in some way.
Ken Shaw
==============================================
The Names of God
I. Introduction of Yah, El Yah, Yahh, and Yahu:
>From a corpus of over one hundred Yahweh inscriptions, thirteen have been
selected for the viewer to study. Observation of the way that the ancient
scribes wrote the name of their God has led to a theory as to why so many
archaic forms are retained in Old Negev. It was observed that often when the
name of Yahweh was written (in any of the respectful abbreviated forms)
archaic letters were used. And since most of the inscriptions of these ancient
dwellers of the Negev were religious, their language was viewed as a carrier
of sacred knowledge and such a language has a conservative preference for
archaic forms. That is, God's name should be written in the forms used in the
beginning, such as the forms carried down from the mountain of God by Moses.
II. The Name of God In the Ancient Negev:
A search of Proto-Sinaitic inscriptions by I. Beit-Arieh, and B. Sass, has
uncovered several inscriptions of the pan Canaanite name of God (El) in the
Sinai dating between the 17th century BCE to the 15th century BCE.
Mine L, inscriptions, Sinai No. 377 and 378, also #'s 350, and 363, have been
identified to have the name El in reasonable clarity. Pictures and sketches of
two of the inscription are presented below from the collection of Prof.
Benjamin Sass, in his 1988 publication fully cited in the Bibliography.
Hebrew: = From El (God)
Hebrew: = El (God).
Short inscriptions are very valuable in that they leave critics with little or
nothing to argue about.
El was the widely recognized God of all the Canaanite people and his name is
coupled with Yah in some Proto-Canaanite inscriptions. But the name of Yah has
not yet been found in the Sinai, or has it just gone unrecognized?
III. The Name of God In the Ancient Land of Canaan:
The earliest El Yah inscription (late Late Bronze Age) was found on a
beautiful Ewer, discovered in a rubbish heap of a temple at Lachish in 1934. A
more recent article on the subject was a BAR, Sept/Oct. 1991, p. 50. work of
Ruth Hestrin, titled "Understanding Asherah--Exploring Semitic Iconography."
Hestrin viewed the seven branched tree as an icon that favored the translation
of "Elath" , as a female consort of El "Asherah." We have numerous examples of
the seven branched tree used as an icon for Yah (Yahweh) and sometimes in an
El/Yah combination with such a tree and/or a ram. Also the "Taw" after the El
was an archaic ending for El. The "Yah of Gat" ligatures were recognized and
translated by Harris and Hone
The Lachish Ewer,; (1220 BCE):
Icon connection, a menorah and a ram:
It is also possible to begin reading at the rams head, left to right then
right to left over the same line of signs across and down to the last two
signs g-t.
Old Negev:
Hebrew: [ ] [ ]
Lexical analysis: `Elat ( the feminine form of El) `Elat is directly above the
tree and Yah (Yahweh) is directly above the ram; (alt) = a place of suspense,
uncertainty; y-h (a short form of Yahweh); g-t () = a place name, Gat.
Translation: The tree [of] `Elath, a place of suspense, the ram Yah of Gat.
[From Ruth Hestrin, "Understanding Asherah" BAR, Sept./Oct. 1991, pp.
50-52-59. The "Yah of Gat" translation by Harris and Hone.
The Name of God in the Ancient Negev
Nahal `Avedat Site 81: 1, & 2;
Visited by Harris/Hone, April 1997.
Old Negev, L-1
Hebrew:
Old Negev, L-2
Hebrew:
Translation: Beloved, escape to my God my Father, Jah.
Har Karkom
Harris/Hone, April 1997:
Old Negev:
Hebrew:
(Sun and rain) (Sun and rain and Yah)
(as a human like figure with his arms out- stretched.)
Transliteration: l-t-t () = to give (a pngt from the heavens) [a prefix
followed by Kal infinite construct of n-t-n (]; y-h ()= Yah (abbreviation of
Yahweh); r-b-l-t-h ()= fertility (with a paragogic ending); m-tz, ()=
sufficient [imperfect of m-tz-`, () the silent ending "aleph" being dropped.]
Translation (of symbols and phonetic signs): The pngt of Yah from heavens [sun
and rain, bringing sufficient fertility].
Har Karkom, Harris/Hone 4/22/1997
(Photo by C.P.):
Old Negev:
Hebrew;
Translation: My mountain (refuge is) El
(God)-deliverance for the Jew.
#6. Winnett's No. 11052;
To be read from right to left:
Old Negev:
Hebrew:
Lexical Analysis: b-m-h,= Bamah ( a hlgh place dedicated to religious worship)
b-z, spoil (booty); b-h-'-l-h, () [hiphil imperative verb with prefix
-notice position above the line]= bring up by;; d-k, ()= the door; b-t, () =
the house [of]; y-h.= () Yah (Yahweh). Translation: "Bamah (place of worship),
spoil bring up by the door of the house of Yah." Or, "Bring thou up spoil by
the door of the house of Yah." Interesting notes; This inscription is
particularly interesting since it demonstrates the suggested grammar of the
Midianite script. Note that the Beth above, and a little to the left, of the
first up side-down He is a prefixed preposition attached to the hiphil
imperative of the verbal root '-I-h () meaning "bring thou up by." Also this
inscription shows a consistent use of turning the last letter (or first
letter) in a word or phrase up-side-down [see the Midianite line]. This
practice is characteristic of Old Negev but is not characteristic of North
Arabian, pre-Arabic Thamudic scripts.
Translation: "Bamah (place of worship), spoil bring up by the door of the
house of Yah." Or, "Bring thou up spoil by the door of the house of Yah." Also
the word "bamah" and the phrase, House of Yahweh are precisely appropriate
element of this composition. "Bamah (place of worship), spoil bring up by the
door of the house of Yah." Or, "Bring thou up spoil by the door of the house
of Yah." Also the word "bamah" and the phrase, House of Yahweh are precisely
appropriate element of this composition.
Harris/Hone, 1997 Anati's Area #58, Har Karkom:
Old Negev:
Hebrew:
Transliteration: l y-h,= For Yah; n-m,= flee away; b-n,= son; `-r-t, = of
lights.
Translation: Flee away for Yah son of lights (revelations). Flee from the
enemies of the Ram (of God)? Also regarding the appearance of a sword at the
side of the figure on the right above the inscription, we saw a steel sword on
exhibit in the Israel Museum (April 1997) dated to the time of king Hezekiah.
The inscription shown above and the inscriptions shown below are among those
we regarded as of special importance and that contained unclear script that
required an on site examination from which our own sketches and photos could
be made, interpreted, and translated.
Harris/Hone, 1997, Nahal `Avedat Hallouns 22: 1, 2, 3:
[Read from left to right.]
Old Negev: L-1,
Hebrew;
1. l-`,= not, no; r-',= evil; l-h,= for him.
Old Negev: L-2,
Hebrew;
2. `-l,= El (God); y-h,= Yah; '-d-t,= time, season, a long time.
Old Negev: L-3,
Heb.;
3. l-n,= abide, remain, lodge; m-b-b-r= by election; be chosen; w-h-b,= to
love, to give; w-t-l,= unto the tel (high place of worship); p-l-y-h,= the
escaped of the remnant.
Translation: For him in the time of evil (turn to) El Yah. Upon the heights
God gave to the chosen, the escaped of the remnant (continued below) watchful
[for] Yah.
Har Karkom, 277, 1982, LXV-23-24, (Our 6557):
Read in both directions from the middle.
Hebrew: (middle) = Yah - El
Nahal `Avedat, Harris/Hone, 1997, Halloun's 22: 4, (a block renewed or added
after the original inscribing was done.) 5, & 6:
Old Negev, L-4
Hebrew: = watchful for Yah.
Old Negev, L-5
Hebrew:
Old Negev, L-6
Hebrew:
Translation: (L-5 & L-6) To dream of great Yah lament (those) bold in
speaking, (of the) Lord.
Halloun published the above panel in the 1990 Israel Survey, Volume 2, but he
had obviously not given the site a personal visit nor did he examine the panel
carefully because he depicted what he called 22.4 up side down and called it
line 4, when it is line 5 and he also left out the real line 4 and line 6.
Examine our photo carefully (taken in April of 1997) and you will see grass in
the lower right hand corner and open space in the upper right hand corner,
indicating the correct orientation of the lines of the composition.
Nahal `Avedat Site Near 22: Harris/Hone, 1a; April 1997:
Old Negev:
Hebrew:
Translation: El Yah, life you will deliver, life in the hard night.
Har Karkom, Harris/Hone, April 1997:
Old Negev;=Hebrew: Yah & the Burning Bush [also the Tree of Life & Light - a
very unconventional minorah.
Har Karkom, Harris/Hone, April 1997:
Old Negev:
Hebrew;
Translation: Yahh [one of three approved abbreviation for Yahweh.
IV. How The Peoples of the Negev Perceived Yahweh
An Ancient Script and Language of the Negev:
A script with a large representation of archaic features has been traced from
the Sinai (Serabit el-Khadim) during the Late Bronze Age (1600-1400 BC) to the
Land of Canaan (where it survived as Proto-Canaanite through the eight hundred
year hiatus). Around 1200 BC two variations of Proto-Canaanite emerge; Old
Negev in the southern deserts and Canaanite/Phoenician in the north (Canaan,
Moab, Phoenicia, etc.).
In the Negev the script continues well into the Iron Age and at some time
between the Assyrian conquest and the Babylonian captivity, the script and the
language it expressed fell out of use. [Discoveries, such as the water jars
marked with this script found in Old Jerusalem's Burnt House, 600 BC, may have
been family treasures from a dimming past.]
The language, best called Proto-Canaanite, (suggesting the West Semitic, used
throughout the Northwest Semitic area, before the language formed distinctive
dialects and before the dialects became distinctive languages.
The ethnic ties of the Old Negev scribes may include Kenite Midianites,
Israelites, and other Canaanites such as the Avites and the Canaanites that
worshipped Yah of Gad (Lachish Ewer).
Perceptions of Yah in the Ancient Negev:
The name of Yah was never spelled out in full in any of the inscriptions. The
most often use form was Yah (hy), followed by El/Yah or Yah/El (hy la) and
just two inscriptions of Yahh (hhy).
The ram is the most frequently encountered icon associated with Yah and El.
The ram's seventy appearances in the first four books of Moses (which invite
and insure the continued favor of the God of Israel) are complimented by the
image of the Ram of Redemtpion and is an acknowledgment of God's intervention
among the ancient inhabitants of the Negev.
Place names found in the compositions are appropriate for the time, location,
and context in which they are used. The persona of Yah is associated with
radiance, as from the sun and the head of the radiant Serpent. The glory of
the radiant serpent was to be extended to his people so that their
countenances would shine as they become a holy nation (a sanctified people).
It is possible that the serpent (as an icon of Yahweh) would have survived in
greater numbers had it not been for the reforms of Hezekiah and Josiah. The
serpent symbolizes Yah as the healer, and God of the storms, rain, sun, and
Prince of Life. Yah was the disciplinarian, judge, protector, deliverer,
teacher, purifier, and Father of his covenant people.
The Shield of David represents Yah as the protector of the Twelve Tribes
(represented by the twel ve points of the star). In addition to the "Shield of
David" inscription shown above, we have an enlarged photo of a geoglyph Shield
of David on top of one of the Har Karkom platforms.
The Tree of Life icon projects the conception of Yah as the life and
light of the world and the simple but powerful representation on
Har Karkom is hard to discount as a commemoration of the bush
that burned but was not consumed before the eyes of Moses
(Exodus 3:1-2).
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Subject:
Re: Is anyone out there?
Date:
Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:24:19 -0500
From:
Michael Love
To:
Andy Mcguire , Kathleen McGuire ,
"R. Trent Reynolds" , "Theurgus@aol.com" ,
"jswick@cris.com" , "rds@acsu.buffalo.edu" ,
"proclus@mac.com" ,
"rpcman@hotmail.com" ,
"dcombe@rain.org"
References:
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[proclus claps all his good friends on the backs and thanks them for
being there.]
I feel that there is a certain level on which we have all really said it
all. That is why the conversation has petered out a bit of late. Most
of the posts are coming from people who were on board from the very
early days. We've reached a plateau, a typical occurrence in elite
break away discussion groups. Nevertheless, I feel strongly that the
very existence of this group is significant. Furthermore, I think that
most of the people on the list are very active and anxiously engaged.
Sometimes, there is no room for idle chatter, among such. We should all
look around the circle, at our handsome and intelligent friends, and
smile knowingly.... then get back to work ;-}. Maybe we can just
promise to be there for each other. Perfect love and perfect trust.
Andy, We have certainly had our differences in the past. Nevertheless,
you know from our phone discussion that I am there for you, and ever
will be.... I'll even march into hell for you girlfriend! ;-}
Many Regards,
proclus
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Subject:
Unitarian Henotheism...the truth at last...
Date:
Sat, 24 Oct 1998 01:12:43 -0400 (EDT)
From:
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To:
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UNITARIAN PROPOSITION
UNITARIAN: We begin by declaring that our use of the word "unitarian" is an
affirmation of our belief that there is One Absolute God who we will
henceforth designate The (Absolute) God.
We begin by declaring that we use the English word "god" as it is defined in
dictionaries: 1. any of various beings conceived of as supernatural. ... 3. a
person much loved. We use this word "god" with the Hebrew connotations in mind
for it is generally understood that El [ Elohim or ha-Elohim ] carries the
idea of strength or power. So, it is in this context we use the English word
"god" for the Hebrew elohim and the Greek theos.
Another word may define our general comprehension of this word "god" ---
henotheism (heis [one] + theos [god]). Websters has it: "belief in one god,
without denying the existence of others." We confess the words "monotheism"
and "polytheism" may be misunderstood in a Western world which essentially
believes in one God. We believe ourselves "monotheistic" if this is understood
in the contexts of certain limitations the Bible places on the idea.
Another word may need some clarification: the English "worship." The root of
"worship" in English is derived from "worth" or "worthy" and thus honorable
and so a magistrate may be addressed as "Your Worship." In Greek one of the
words rendered "worship" means to bow or prostrate oneself and kiss the feet
or fringe of the garment of someone particularly worthy.
Thus both the words "god" and "worship" have degrees. In the absolute sense as
they pertain to The (Absolute) God they are without limitations. When "god" or
"worship" is used of lesser persons it becomes limited or qualified. We may
illustrate this with several words: a) lord (master) may be absolute,
unqualified, unlimited, and thus pertain to The (Absolute) God; "lord" may be
used in limited or qualified in contexts of Christ, angels, kings, and
husbands. b) "king" may be applied without limitation to The (Absolute) God;
and in limited or qualified contexts of Christ and human kings; "savior" is
also used in these senses of degrees to The (Absolute) God, Christ, and human
judges or kings; "father" may applied without limitation to The (Absolute) God
as the life-giver to all; it is limited to Messiah, human fathers, religious
teachers; "judge" may apply without qualification to The (Absolute) God; it
may be limited to Christ, kings, the Saints. There are other designations and
phrases which have these wide-ranging applications, such as first, last, good,
and others.
With these definitions in mind we submit the following proposition in three
parts:
THE BIBLE IS "HENOTHEISTIC"
A) THERE IS ONE ABSOLUTE GOD WHO IS NOT LIMITED NOR DEPENDENT ON ANYTHING ---
1. ETERNAL BEING WITHOUT BEGINNING -- UNBEGOTTEN
Genesis 21:33 -- "God of eternity."
Psalm 90:2 -- "Even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God."
Romans 1:20 -- "For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the
world's creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even
his eternal power and Godship."
1 Timothy 1:17 -- "Now to the King of eternity, incorruptible, invisible,
[the] only God."
Jude 25 -- " ... to [the] only God our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord,
be glory, majesty, might and authority for all past eternity and now and into
all eternity. Amen."
Revelation 15:3 -- "King of eternity."
Psalm 93:2 -- "Your throne is firmly established from long ago; You are from
time indefinite."
2. ALMIGHTY AND ABSOLUTE IN POWER AND AUTHORITY
The (Absolute) God is greater than all. There are none who may authorize Him.
There are none who may send his as a messenger.
Romans 1:20 -- "For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the
world's creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even
his eternal power and Godship."
Genesis 17:1 -- "I am God Almighty."
Exodus 6:2, 3 -- "I am Jehovah. And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac and
Jacob as God Almighty."
Revelation 1:8 -- "I am the Al'pha and the O·me'ga," says Jehovah God, "the
One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty."
3. INFINITE AND ABSOLUTE KNOWLEDGE
The (Absolute) God cannot be taught anything from anyone, nor may any counsel
Him, or reveal to Him anything He does not already know.
1 Corinthians 2:16 -- For "who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, that he
may instruct him?" But we do have the mind of Christ.
Ro 11:34 -- For "who has come to know Jehovah's mind, or who has become his
counselor?"
Isa 40:13, 14 -- "Who has taken the proportions of the spirit of Jehovah, and
who as his man of counsel can make him know anything? With whom did he consult
together that one might make him understand, or who teaches him in the path of
justice, or teaches him knowledge, or makes him know the very way of real
understanding?"
4. THE ORIGIN OR SOURCE OF ALL CREATION
The source of all being and existence find’s its origin in The (Absolute) God.
Genesis 1:1 -- "In [the] beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
Ecclesiastes 12:1 -- "Remember, now, your Grand Creator."
Isaiah 40:28 -- "Jehovah, the Creator of the extremities of the earth, is a
God to time indefinite."
Isaiah 42:5 -- "This is what the [true] God, Jehovah, has said, the Creator of
the heavens and the Grand One stretching them out; the One laying out the
earth and its produce, the One giving breath to the people on it, and spirit
to those walking in it."
Isaiah 45:18 -- "For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the
heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He
the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing,
who formed it even to be inhabited: "I am Jehovah, and there is no one else."
Romans 1:20 -- "For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the
world's creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even
his eternal power and Godship."
Romans 11:36 -- "Because from him and by him and for him are all things."
1 Corinthians 8:6 -- "There is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom
all things are."
Hebrews 3:4 -- "Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but he that
constructed all things is The God."
Isaiah 63:16 -- "For you are our Father; although Abraham himself may not have
known us and Israel himself may not recognize us, you, O Jehovah, are our
Father."
John 8:41 -- "We have one Father, God."
Hebrews 12:9 -- "The Father of our spiritual life."
James 1:17 -- "The Father of the [celestial] lights."
In Scripture this (Absolute) God bears the designation Yahweh (Jehovah).
The (Absolute) God is Perfect Mind. This "mind" or "spirit" He may project to
accomplish His Will and Purpose directly or indirectly by means of spirit or
human agents. This Force of Mind is called holy spirit in the Bible and is
likened to His Breath or a Wind which exerts pressure on the object of His
Will. This invisible force is personified on occasion and often
indistinguishable from The (Absolute) God Who is its Source. The (Absolute)
God made use this Mental Pressure through angelic or human agents.
B) There is another God (limited; and dependent) designated as the Word
(Logos) or Wisdom who was in his pre-existence:
1. THE FIRST CREATED SON OF THE (ABSOLUTE) GOD IS A SECOND GOD
Proverbs 8:22, 27, 30 --- "Jehovah himself produced me [created me -- LXX] as
the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. ...
When he prepared the heavens I was there. .... Then I came to be beside him as
a master worker."
Micah 5:2 -- "From you [Bethlehem] there will come out to me [Yahweh] the one
who is to become ruler in Israel, whose origin is from early times, from the
days of time indefinite [NJB: the distant past; JPS: from ancient times]."
John 1:1-3 --- "In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with [The]
God, and the Word was a god [divine -- GDSP, MOF]. This one [god] was in [the]
beginning with [The] God. All things came into existence through him, and
apart from him not even one thing came into existence."
John 1:18 -- "No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in
the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him."
John 17:5 -- "So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory
that I had alongside you before the world was."
Colossians 1:15-18 -- "[The Son] is the image of the invisible God, the
firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all things were created in
the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible,
... All things have been created [by The God] through him and for him. Also,
he is before all things and by means of him all things were made to exist, and
he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the
firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all
things."
Hebrews 1:1-3 -- "[The} God, who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many
ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, has at the end of these days
spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and
through whom he made the systems of things. [The Son] is the reflection of
[The God’s] glory and the exact representation of [The God’s] very being, and
he sustains all things by the word of his power."
Revelation 3:14 -- "The beginning of the creation by God."
2. THIS GOD IS SPOKESMAN OR THE WORD WHO SPEAKS FOR THE (ABSOLUTE) GOD
As the Spokesman, Mouthpiece [Ex 4.16], or Exegete [Jn 1.18] of The (Absolute)
God learns everything from his Father. He never speaks of his own originality
but only as he hears His Father speak.
John 5:19 -- "The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only
what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these
things the Son also does in like manner."
John 5:30 -- "I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative; just as I hear,
I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my
own will, but the will of [The God] that sent me."
John 7:16-18 -- "What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me. If
anyone desires to do His will, he will know concerning the teaching whether it
is from [The] God or I speak of my own originality. He that speaks of his own
originality is seeking his own glory."
Revelation 1:1 -- "A revelation by Jesus Christ, which [The] God gave him."
3. THIS GOD IS THE AGENT OR MASTER WORKER OF CREATION THROUGH WHOM THE
(ABSOLUTE) GOD CREATED
Proverbs 8:22, 27, 30 --- "Jehovah himself produced me [created me -- LXX] as
the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. ...
When he prepared the heavens I was there. ... Then I came to be beside him as
a master worker. [JPS: a confidant; NJB: master craftsman]"
John 1:1-3 --- "In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with [The]
God, and the Word was a god [divine -- GDSP, MOF]. This one [god] was in [the]
beginning with [The] God. All things came into existence through him, and
apart from him not even one thing came into existence."
John 1:18 -- "No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in
the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him."
John 17:5 -- "So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory
that I had alongside you before the world was."
Colossians 1:15-18 -- "[The Son] is the image of the invisible God, the
firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all things were created in
the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible,
... All things have been created [by The God] through him and for him. Also,
he is before all things and by means of him all things were made to exist, and
he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the
firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all
things."
Hebrews 1:1-3 -- "[The} God, who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many
ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, has at the end of these days
spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and
through whom he made the systems of things. [The Son] is the reflection of
[The God’s] glory and the exact representation of [The God’s] very being, and
he sustains all things by the word of his power."
Revelation 3:14 -- "The beginning of the creation by God."
4. THIS GOD WAS THE ANGEL OF YAHWEH, ANGEL OF GREAT COUNSEL, OR MICHAEL THE
ARCHANGEL
[See notes elsewhere quoting ante-Nicene fathers who believed Christ to be a
high angelic being.]
In the Hebrew Scriptures, particularly Moses, the Angel of Yahweh speaks for
The (Absolute) God, often in the first person. Jewish and Christian
theologians believe this high angelic being to be the Word of God or the Son
of God.
Though one may consult a concordance or computer word search using "angel of
the LORD" or "angel of Jehovah" here are few examples.
Genesis 16:10, 11 -- "Then Jehovah's angel said to her: "I shall greatly
multiply your seed, so that it will not be numbered for multitude." ...
Further Jehovah's angel added to her: "Here you are pregnant, and you shall
give birth to a son and must call his name Ish'ma·el;
Genesis 22:11-17 -- "But Jehovah's angel began calling to him out of the
heavens and saying: "Abraham, Abraham!" to which he answered: "Here I am!" And
he went on to say: "Do not put out your hand against the boy and do not do
anything at all to him, for now I do know that you are God-fearing in that you
have not withheld your son, your only one, from me." ... And Jehovah's angel
proceeded to call to Abraham the second time out of the heavens and to say:
"'By myself I do swear,' is the utterance of Jehovah, 'that by reason of the
fact that you have done this thing and you have not withheld your son, your
only one, I shall surely bless you and I shall surely multiply your seed like
the stars of the heavens and like the grains of sand that are on the seashore;
and your seed will take possession of the gate of his enemies.
Exodus 3:2-6 -- "Then Jehovah's angel appeared to him in a flame of fire in
the midst of a thornbush. As he kept looking, why, here the thornbush was
burning with the fire and yet the thornbush was not consumed. At this Moses
said: "Let me just turn aside that I may inspect this great phenomenon, as to
why the thornbush is not burnt up." When Jehovah saw that he turned aside to
inspect, God at once called to him out of the midst of the thornbush and said:
"Moses! Moses!" to which he said: "Here I am." Then he said: "Do not come near
here. Draw your sandals from off your feet, because the place where you are
standing is holy ground." And he went on to say: "I am the God of your father,
the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob."
Compare Numbers 22.22-35.
"And what was a trial to you in my flesh, you did not treat with contempt or
spit at in disgust; but you received me like an angel of God, like Christ
Jesus." (Ga 4.14) Note Paul parallels his treatment like an angel or Christ.
He does not say, "you received me like God Himself, like Christ."
"And his name is called the ANGEL OF GREAT COUNSEL." (Isa 9.6 LXX Bagster)
This text is quoted by apostolic fathers (ante-Nicene fathers). It is the
rendering from the Jewish Greek Septuagint. It was used to prove Christ was an
angel.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 -- "The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a
commanding call, with an archangel's voice." Paul does not have Jesus
descending in God’s own voice, but in that of an "archangel" confirming Jesus
was like an angelic being.
This "god" -- the Son [Jn 1.1 18] -- willingly emptied himself of his status
[Ph 2.6, 7], became less than god [Ps 8.5; He 2.9] when he became a human-
being [Ph 2.7; Jn 1.14], a full anthropoid [Ro 5.14; 1 Co 15.22; He 2.14].
During the days of his flesh [He 5.7] the Son was less than god [Ps 8.5] and
lower than the angels [He 1.4; 2.9]. He was limited in strength [Jn 4.6; Mt
4.2; 21.18; 25.37; Mk 11.12; Lk 4.2] and knowledge [Mt 24.36; Mk 13.32; Re
1.1]. Though accused of making a god out of himself, he denied this [Jn 5.18,
19; 10.34, 35]. During his human existence he was called Prophet, King, Son of
Man, Teacher, Man, Messiah, Lamb of God, Servant, Son of God, Lord.
After the Son of God died and was buried he was raised from death and became
an immortal life-giving spirit enthroned in heaven as King appointed by The
(Absolute) God. He will become Judge on Judgment Day. As Messianic King he is
called Everlasting Father, Wonderful Counselor (or, Angel of Great Counsel -
LXX), Prince of Peace, Mighty God. Though now exalted above the angels, the
Son is Word and Servant of his own god [Ep 1.3, 17; Re 3.12], The (Absolute)
God, his own Father.
C) The word "god" (and, "lord") may be used of angelic creatures.
Angels are called gods.
Psalm 8.5 -- "Thou madest [the Son of Man] a little less than angels [ ftn:
Heb., me·´elo·him' ; JPS: less than divine; NJB: little less than a god]."
(LXX) (Compare Heb 2.6-9)
Psalm 82:1 -- "God is stationing himself in the assembly of the Divine One
[ftn: Heb., ´El ; LXX: the assembly of gods (theon, theous)]; In the middle of
the gods [ Heb., ´elo·him' ; JPS: divine beings; NJB: surrounded by the gods]
he judges."
Psalm 97:7 -- "Bow down to him, all you gods [ftn: Heb., ´elo·him' ; JNB:
divine beings; NJB: all you gods; LXX: all ye his angels]." (Compare Heb 1.6)
D) The word "god" (and, "lord") may be used of human kings, judges or priests.
Regarding priests being called "gods" compare Acts 23.5 with Ex 22.26 (LXX):
"Thou shalt not revile the gods [ftn: MSam(Heb.), ´Elo·him' ; Gr., the·ous',
"gods"; Lat., di'is, "gods."], nor speak ill of the ruler of thy people."
Kings (and husbands) are called "god" ---
Psalm 45:1-11 -- "I am saying: ‘My works are concerning a king.’ [6 Your
throne, O God ], is to time indefinite, even forever. That is why God, your
God, has anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your partners. ...
And the king will long for [his wife’s] prettiness, for he is your lord, so
bow down to him [KJV: worship]. (Compare this with Heb 1.8, 9)
Human judges are called "gods" ---
Psalm 82:6 -- "I myself have said, 'You are gods [ Heb., ´elo·him'; Gr.,
the·oi'; Syr., da´·la·hin; Lat., di'i; T, "like angels." ], and all of you are
sons of the Most High." (Compare Jesus’ own quote of this verse at John
10.34.) The verse proves "sons of God" may be called "gods."
SUMMARY OF UNITARIAN PROPOSITION:
We have affirmed a proposition in several parts. We have affirmed there are
several unique attributes of The (Absolute) God:
The (Absolute) God is Infinite without beginning or origin and we have seen
the Word (or, Son; Jesus Christ) is not without beginning as he has an origin
and was created.
The (Absolute) God has absolute and unlimited power while the Son does not.
The (Absolute) God has unlimited knowledge while the Son is limited.
The (Absolute) God is the source of creation while the Son is only the agent
or instrument by which creation occurred.
Though there is "only one true God" in the absolute and unlimited sense --
without qualifications -- Yahweh remains "God of gods and Lord of lords" (De
10.17). There are other gods in limited and qualified senses: the only-
begotten god, the Son; the angels; priests of Israel; judges of Israel; and
kings. The Bible is therefore henotheistic in its theology while remaining
monotheistic in the absolute sense.
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Subject:
RE: Unitarian Henotheism...the truth at last...
Date:
Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:09:33 -0500
From:
"McGuire, Andy"
To:
'Theurgus' , proclus ,
MCGUIREA , kathleen ,
trent , jswick , rds ,
rpcman , dcombe
Sounds like the long way of saying "Gosh. We're kind if wishy-washy on this
whole 'GOD' thing..."
-AJ
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> Subject: Unitarian Henotheism...the truth at last...
>
> UNITARIAN PROPOSITION
>
> UNITARIAN: We begin by declaring that our use of the word "unitarian" is
> an
[McGuire, Andy] ...etc. etc......
Subject:
alien dreamtime
Date:
Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:30:23 -0500
From:
Michael Love
To:
Andy Mcguire , Kathleen McGuire ,
"R. Trent Reynolds" , "Theurgus@aol.com" ,
"jswick@cris.com" , "rds@acsu.buffalo.edu" ,
"proclus@mac.com" ,
"rpcman@hotmail.com" , "dcombe@rain.org"
At last I have the Terence McKenna video! On first viewing, it was
inspiring, and audio video bliss. It is great to see him and hear his
voice. His books are less interesting to me. You will recognize the
audio portion of the first segment, which we discussed some time ago.
It was posted as a real audio file on nirvnet, but they have since
removed it. There are two more segments. Be sure to get the video, not
the audio tape, which was edited down. I highly recommend this rare
video, which I got from disinfo.com. Here is the address.
http://headshop.disinfo.com/
Just search the headshop for Alien Dreamtime.
Some more thoughts on Terence. Contrary to some perceptions which are
out there, he does not seem to be anti-technological. His ecology
encompasses good science, not the scientific mythology of the past. For
him, technology is part of the process which is preparing our minds for
the jump into hyperspace.
Our heads, our hands are the culmination of genetic novelty. Further,
we are creating the next wave of novelty with our hands. I am reminded
of Dune; He that can destroy a thing, controls a thing. Our species is
vested with this power. Our hands give us the advantage, in the next world.
Am I crazy to think that Mormonism is consistent with these teachings?
Amazingly, all of this is there in Mormonism, in a very ornate and
pragmatic form (fleshed out=). We are immortal consciousness,
priviledged to indwell these fine bodies, this spiritual hi-tech. Thus,
our power is extended. I see Mormonism as a blessed, valid, preparatory
current from the root.
The jump to hyperspace is as radical a transition as the spirit to body
transition, and it is starting now.
Certainly, Terence has created a scientific mythology of his own. We
are all familiar with _that_ process ;-}. It is a very compelling and
forward looking vision. Enjoy.
proclus
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Subject:
RE: alien dreamtime
Date:
Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:45:10 -0500
From:
"McGuire, Andy"
To:
'Michael Love' , Andy Mcguire ,
Kathleen McGuire , "R. Trent Reynolds" ,
Theurgus@aol.com, jswick@cris.com, rds@acsu.buffalo.edu, rpcman@hotmail.com,
dcombe@rain.org
Mike (et al),
You ask the following: Am I crazy to think that Mormonism is consistent
with these teachings?
A brief digression into General Semantics...
What definition of Mormonism are you using? Is it...
Mormonism(1) -- The rich body of teachings and theory that have been
handed by Joseph Smith and his contemporaries.
Mormonism(2) -- The conservative corporate neophobes who currently meet in
the board rooms in Salt Lake City.
Mormonism(1) is entirely consistent with McKenna. I could see a younger and
less fettered Hugh Nibley resonating well with McKenna as the fine Mormon(1)
intellectual that he was. Mormonism(2) would banish the likes of Terence
McKenna to outer darkness.
-AJ
PS -- Heard of the ballot initiative in Alaska to ban same sex marriages?
The Mormon(2) church donated $$ half a mill $$ to support it. Observers in
Alaska have reported a growing OPPOSITION to the initiative by Mormons(1)
who are torqued off by the high handed actions of their church(2).
Subject:
Re: alien dreamtime
Date:
Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:18:10 -0500
From:
Michael Love
To:
Andy Mcguire , Kathleen McGuire ,
"R. Trent Reynolds" , "Theurgus@aol.com" ,
"jswick@cris.com" , "rds@acsu.buffalo.edu" ,
"proclus@mac.com" ,
"rpcman@hotmail.com" ,
"dcombe@rain.org"
References:
1
"McGuire, Andy" wrote:
>
> Mike (et al),
>
> You ask the following: Am I crazy to think that Mormonism is consistent
> with these teachings?
>
> A brief digression into General Semantics...
Andy! I love it when you talk dirty!
> What definition of Mormonism are you using? Is it...
> Mormonism(1) -- The rich body of teachings and theory that have been
> handed by Joseph Smith and his contemporaries.
I think that this is the Mormonism that brought most of us to this circle.
> Mormonism(2) -- The conservative corporate neophobes who currently meet in
> the board rooms in Salt Lake City.
Ironically, I think this Mormonism also brought many of us to this
circle. ;-}
It is difficult for me to consider GBH a "corporate neophobe" these
days, though. Maybe once upon a time. He recently visited Boston. He
is at home in the modern world, media-savvy, and techno-literate. I
think that is quite remarkable for a man his age. He is simultaneously
brilliant and disarming, spiritual and pragmatic. Furthermore, he has
the face of a homely angel. I'm caught in his spell. Kiss the frog! =}
> Mormonism(1) is entirely consistent with McKenna. I could see a younger and
> less fettered Hugh Nibley resonating well with McKenna as the fine Mormon(1)
> intellectual that he was. Mormonism(2) would banish the likes of Terence
> McKenna to outer darkness.
Well put. I am reminded of Nibley's comments regarding the banning of
Ulysses. One wonders if there are any who would like to see Nibley
banished. I am glad that we have our little circle, where we can
discuss these things freely and among friends.
> PS -- Heard of the ballot initiative in Alaska to ban same sex marriages?
> The Mormon(2) church donated $$ half a mill $$ to support it. Observers in
> Alaska have reported a growing OPPOSITION to the initiative by Mormons(1)
> who are torqued off by the high handed actions of their church(2).
Whoa Andy! Is this for real? I did not know that the Church got so
involved in this kind of thing.
It is ironic though. They stand shoulder to shoulder with the North
American Church and support the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, but
then go on to legistlate private consensual behavior. Is this an
inconsistancy? Where does religious freedom end and personal freedom
begin?
Did you guys know that there is going to be a constitutional challenge
to the Boston Temple? In Massachusettes we have something called the
Dover Amendment, which e xempts churches and educational institutions
from zoning use requirements. The amendment was passed after Lowell
tried to use zoning laws to stop the catholics from building a school on
church owned land.
Since then, the Church used the Dover Amendment to overcome objections
at the zoning hearing in Belmont (Belmont is where they are actually
building the Boston Temple). Actually, I know some of the boys who did
this ;-}. Now, an abutter has hired big guns to pursue a challenge on
the grounds that the Dover Amendment unfairly advantages religious
organizations in violation of separation of church and state. This is
similar to the successful attack on the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.
You may remember one of the attorneys, who won the McLaughlin case. I
believe that case got a little national press. He forced Boston Latin
School to abandon race-based quotas and admit a white girl based on her
superior test score. This, of course, nailed the coffin of forced
desegregation in Boston.
It is interesting that the Dover Amendment, passed to protect religious
freedom, may be found unconstitutional. Where will that leave the
Boston Temple? They have already done all the blasting and poured the foundation.
When GBH was here, he knew about all of this before the rest of us. He
quoted Brigham Young; "The bells of hell ring whenever a new temple is
announced". Well, they have certainly rung in Boston, he went on to
say. He then promised us that we would have our temple. He asked us
all to make sure that we visit it frequently after it is dedicated. I
expect that the Church will be pulling out a few big guns of its own.
It will be very interesting to watch, as this issue pushes everyone's
panic button.
And don't forget, "There is no such thing as a Mormon Polygamist, or a
Mormon Fundamentalist." (proclus winks) Don't look at me, I'm still
trying to grok the king follett sermon! Here's another one; "Temples
are monuments to the immortality of mankind." I think that Mormonism(1)
is preparing our minds for the next step, like McKenna.
Mormonism(2) completed 12 temples, start to finish, since the Boston
Temple was announced. Perhaps definition 2 lacks a little something.
Best Regards,
proclus
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Subject:
GBH a.k.a. Mr Savvy
Date:
Tue, 03 Nov 1998 10:49:05 -0500
From:
"McGuire, Andy"
To:
Andy Mcguire ,
Kathleen McGuire ,
"R. Trent Reynolds" , Theurgus@aol.com, jswick@cris.com,
rds@acsu.buffalo.edu, proclus@mac.com, rpcman@hotmail.com, dcombe@rain.org
Mike,
You wrote....
******************
It is difficult for me to consider GBH a "corporate neophobe" these
days, though. Maybe once upon a time. He recently visited Boston. He
is at home in the modern world, media-savvy, and techno-literate. I
think that is quite remarkable for a man his age. He is simultaneously
brilliant and disarming, spiritual and pragmatic. Furthermore, he has
the face of a homely angel. I'm caught in his spell. Kiss the frog! =}
******************
All of the good things you say about GBH above could be explained by one
thing: A professional 'handler' who is paid to make sure the world sees him
this way. I am reminded of the way Adolf Hitler used to film himself
delivering a speech then use it as a tool to refine his delivery. OK. Now
that I have pissed of the Mutant List by drawing a parallel between Grandpa
Gordon and Uncle Dolf, let me back down a bit.
Hinkley probably is all of the things you say, and in the genuine measure,
not as a result of professional handling. But one thing remains:
THE CHURCH IS A CONSERVATIVE CORPORATE ENTITY. Period. End of discussion.
Yes, they move swiftly to embrace technology and technique. But when it
comes to PEOPLE and MORALS and THEOLOGY, they are lagging just one or two
decades behind consensual reality. As time goes by, they lag further and
become (comparatively) more conservative. In some areas they even move
backward. Part of this is the quest to become mainstream. This would not
bother me except for the fact that the church used to be WAY OUT THERE and
darned proud of it.
Finally to my last gripe. During the last general conference, GBH refers to
"..so called gays and lesbians..." What is this "so called" crap? Kathleen
IS lesbian. Slick Rick WAS gay. I AM bisexual. There is no "so called"
about it. Does this mean that I get to call GBH a "so called straight"? I
wonder if GBH has ever spent a few hours with a gay man talking to him in an
honest effort to get inside of his psyche and really try to understand. If
not, I could line up just one or two volunteers.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gripe and moan.
-Andy
PS My spell checker wanted to replace GBH with GmBH, the German equivalent
of Inc. or Corp. How revealing.
Subject:
CHI on Church Policies
Date:
Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:08:39 -0800 (PST)
From:
Dave
To:
74277.3365@compuserve.com, ariel144@hotmail.com,
ArtdeHoyos , bethany0@hotmail.com, CYeshua@aol.com,
Dave , gaia@nmol.com, headgeor@esuvm.emporia.edu,
jswick@cris.com, kathleen@enol.com, kens@cyrix.com,
MCGUIREA@a1.bellhow.com, Neoptolmus@aol.com, onandagus@webtv.net,
proclus@mac.com,
Some quotes from the new CHI.
Dave
Dave Combe
dcombe@rain.org
And my heaven will be a big heaven
And I will walk through the front door.
-- Peter Gabriel, "Big Time"
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Birth Control:
It is the privilege of married couples who are able to bear children to
provide mortal bodies for the spirit children of God, whom they are then
responsible to nurture and rear. The decision as to how many chldren to have
and when to have them is extremely intimate and private and should be left
between the couple and the Lord. Church members should not judge one another
in this matter.
Married couples also should understand that sexual relations within marriage
are divinely approved not only for the purpose of procreation, but also as a
means of expressing love and strengthening emotional and spiritual bonds
between husband and wife.
Symposia and Similar Gatherings
The Church warns its members against symposia and other similar gatherings
that include presentations that (1) disparage, ridicule, make light of, or are
otherwise inappropropriate in their treatment of sacred matters or (2) could
injure the Church, detract from its mission, or jeopardize its members' well-
being. Members should not allow their position or standing in the Church to
be used to promote or imply endorsement of such gatherings.
Homosexual Behavior
Homosexual behavior violates the commandments of God, is contrary to the
purposes of human sexuality, distorts loving relationships, and deprives
people of the blessings that can be found in family life and in the saving
ordinances of the gospel. Those who persist in such behavior or who influence
others to do so are subject to Church discipline. Homosexual behaior can be
forgiven through sincere repentance.
If members have homosexual thoughts or feelings, or engage in homosexual
behavior, Church leaders should help them have a clear understanding of faith
in Jesus Christ, the process of repentance, and the purpose of life on earth.
Leaders also should help them accept responsibility for their thoughts and
actions and apply gospel principles in their lives.
In addition to the inspired assistance of Church leaders, members may need
professional counseling. When appropriate, bishops should contact LDS Social
Services to identify resources to provide such counseling in harmony with
gospel principles.
For additional suggestions, stake presidents and bishops may refer to the
booklett _Understanding and Helping Those Who Have Homosexual Problems:
Suggestions for Ecclesiastical Leaders_. See also "Same-Gender Marriages" on
this page.
Same Gender Marriages
The Church opposes same-gender marriages and any efforts to legalize such
marriages. Church members are encouraged "to appeal to legislators, judges,
and other government officials to preserve the purposes and sanctity of
marriage between a man and a woman, and to reject all efforts to give legal
authorization or other official approval or support to marriages between
persons of the same gender" (First Presidency letter, 1 Feb. 1994; see also
"Homosexual Behavior" on this page).
Subject:
More from the new CHI
Date:
Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:10:32 -0800 (PST)
From:
Dave
To:
74277.3365@compuserve.com, ariel144@hotmail.com,
ArtdeHoyos , bethany0@hotmail.com, CYeshua@aol.com,
Dave , gaia@nmol.com, headgeor@esuvm.emporia.edu,
jswick@cris.com, kathleen@enol.com, kens@cyrix.com,
MCGUIREA@a1.bellhow.com, Neoptolmus@aol.com, onandagus@webtv.net,
proclus@mac.com,
Note that homosexuals are linked with preditors and child molestors.
Also note the specific statement that the membership records can be
annotated AFTER excommunication or name removal. Obviously, records are
being kept. What can name removal actually mean.
Dave
====
In areas where the FP has given authorization, an annotation may be placed
on
the record of a member whose conduct has threatened the well-being of other
persons or the Church. An annotation helps the bishop protect Church members
and others from such individuals. When a bishop receives an annotated
membership record, he should follow the instructions in the annotation.
Church headquarters will automatically annotate a person's membership record
when the state president or bishop:
1. Submits a Report of Church Disciplinary Action showing that the person was
disciplined for incest, sexual offense against or serious physical abuse of a
child, plural marriage, an elective trans-sexual operation, repeated
homosexual actiiteis (by adults), or embezzlement of Church funds or property.
2. Submits written notification that the person has been criminally convicted
for one of these transgressions.
Church headquarters also will automatically annotate a person's membership
record when the stake president and bishop jointly submit written notification
that the person has committed on of these transgressions before or after
excommunication or name removal. In addition, the stake president and bishop
may jointly recommend that a person's membership record be annotated for other
conduct that threatens the well-being of other persons or of the Church.
In all cases, annotation of membership records is removed only with FP
approval upon request of the stake president.
Subject:
CHI
Date:
Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:04:06 -0800 (PST)
From:
Dave
To:
74277.3365@compuserve.com, ariel144@hotmail.com,
ArtdeHoyos , bethany0@hotmail.com, CYeshua@aol.com,
Dave , gaia@nmol.com, headgeor@esuvm.emporia.edu,
jswick@cris.com, kathleen@enol.com, kens@cyrix.com,
MCGUIREA@a1.bellhow.com, Neoptolmus@aol.com, onandagus@webtv.net,
proclus@mac.com,
The post below disappeared into the ether, though my two posts quoting
from the CHI did not. So, the below explains the context for the other two
posts.
=======
Bishops and stake presidents now have in their posession the first volume
of the new two volume Church Handbook of Instructions, which replaces the
General Handbook of Instructions on Jan 1. A second volunme is
forthcoming. I now have some quotes from the new CHI, and a photocopy of
the first volume is on it's way to me from a sourse that I cannot
identify for obvious reasons.
Dave
Dave Combe
dcombe@rain.org
And my heaven will be a big heaven
And I will walk through the front door.
-- Peter Gabriel, "Big Time"
Subject:
QBLH
Date:
Thu, 05 Nov 1998 00:49:06 -0500 (EST)
From:
Theurgus@aol.com
To:
Theurgus@aol.com, proclus@mac.com, MCGUIREA@a1.bellhow.com,
kathleen@enol.com, trent@goodnet.com, jswick@cris.com, rds@acsu.buffalo.edu,
rpcman@hotmail.com, dcombe@rain.org
Subj: QBLH Internet Post #1
Date: 11/4/98 1:31:43 PM Central Standard Time
From: qblh@thelema.net (The QBLH Internet Post)
To: Theurgus@aol.com (Kenneth Shaw)
Dear Kenneth Shaw,
*
~ Hermetic and Alchemical Order of QBLH ~
Internet Post Bulletin
November 4, 1998, e.v.
Issue No. 1
Greetings in Thelema,
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
This is the first Internet Post Bulletin of QBLH. This post goes to
all who have subscribed on the QBLH website at www.thelema.net or www.qblh.org
to a subscription of the QBLH Internet Post. If you wish to remove yourself
from the subscriber list, please e-mail me at NominisExpens@qblh.org. The
QBLH Internet Post was created two years ago by Soror Ishtaria. She created
this as a means of providing news and information of occult interest to like-
minded individuals.
It is our hope that you will find this bulletin to your interests and
liking. Comments and feedback should also be directed to me at
NominisExpens@qblh.org. Without further adieu, I thank you for your interest
in QBLH and subscribing to the QBLH Internet Post....
Love is the law, love under will.
Nominis Expens
**A Brief History of QBLH**
The Hermetic and Alchemical Order of QBLH was formed on April 1st,
1960, e.v., by Frater Damon (William W. Webb), Frater Altar (Earl Lonsberry)
and Frater Nemo (Anthony Fischer). QBLH has an orientation to Thelema, the
English Qaballa (as discovered by English Occultist, Jim Lees on November 26,
1976, e.v.), Tantra, and Astrologically-based Rite Timing. Since the 1960's,
Frater Damon and the Order of QBLH developed networking, fraternal, and
mutually benevolent relations with the Typhonian O.T.O., SRIA, the English
O.A.A., among other individuals and organizations.
Frater Damon maintained active, direct, and personal interaction with
students and members of QBLH for nearly forty years and earned the love and
respect of occultists world-wide. The Order of QBLH was sadly forced to
announce the passing of Frater Damon on the morning of October 15, 1997, e.v.
Provisions for the transfer of leadership of the Order of QBLH were entrusted
to Soror Tala (IHO) and Soror Ishtaria (OHO) by direct appointment via charter
signed by Frater Damon on November 11, 1996, e.v. Safeguards to insure that
the Order was upheld and maintained in a manner consistent with its philosophy
and ideals were entrusted to Frater D.P.AL to confirm six month's after Frater
Damon's passing. In April of 1998, a letter was issued by Frater D.P.AL
upholding the Charter issued in November, 1996 to Soror Tala and Soror
Ishtaria. This was soon to be reinforced by recognition from the Heads of
QBLH's sister-order in the U.K.
Though the circumstances of the transition were not without
difficulty, a meeting of ten senior members of the Order was convened in
middle-January, followed by another meeting in April. Through these meetings
the Order came to a new strength fostered by the memory of Frater Damon and
his Work culminating in a resolution by the senior members to preserve,
maintain and revitalize the Order in respect to the nearly 40 years of
devotion invested by our Founder and Chief.
In the past six months, the Order of QBLH has bolstered its resources
and has engaged upon a series of dynamic and exciting projects of occult
significance. QBLH has long stood as a supporter of AvatarSearch via the
AvatarSearch Co-Op in recognition of its great value as a community service
for occultists and occult oriented organizations world-wide. Soror Ishtaria,
Soror Sekhmet, and Soror Hera have also been instrumental in the development
of the QBLH web site, the implementation of Forums, a QBLH chat area, and QBLH
mailing lists. QBLH has also initiated a new periodical, The Sistrum. The
debut issue of The Sistrum was released in July and the second issue is in the
process of going to press. It is published in a 96 page, 7" x 10" book
format, with a slick black and white cover. Please inquire for additional
information.
QBLH is currently engaged in studies related to Astrology and Rite
Timing, the English Qaballa, and research into the origins of Baphomet. Soror
Tala as Inner Head of the Order continues to uphold and maintain the Order's
orientation and interest in continuing and developing fraternal and mutually
benevolent relations with occult-minded individuals and organizations.
Membership in QBLH remains free with candidates being admitted as probationers
for a term of nine months. For further information about the Hermetic and
Alchemical Order of QBLH, please write with your interests to qblh@qblh.org.
**Baphomet Research Project Announced**
The Order of QBLH has recently sanctioned a formal research project
into the Mysteries of Baphomet in conjunction with the work, "Mysterium
Revelatum Baphometis", written between 1810-1819 by Baron Joseph von Hammer-
Purgstall. A copy of this work has been acquired in microfiche format and is
in the process of being transferred into a more accessible format. The work
itself is written in seven languages - French, German, Latin, Greek, Hebraic
and Arabic, with two paragraphs in English. Frater Nominis Expens is the
project manager and has openly announced his interest to collaborate with
other occult researchers to engage upon a translation of this work and upon
isolating the origins of Baphomet. For additional information, please write
to him at NominisExpens@qblh.org
**Excerpts from "The Uncomplicated Gnostic" by Renee Ramsey, as published in
"The Sistrum: Vol. I, No. 1"**
The Valentinians
Valentinus was an Egyptian teacher based in Alexandria around 110-175, c.e.
He is considered to be the most important and most influential of all the
Gnostics. He separated himself from the Roman Church when he was denied, or
failed, to become a Bishop of Rome. He was, at one time, a student of
Basilides and claimed to have received the secret teachings of St. Paul
through one of Paul's disciples, Theodas.
An eightfold emanational view (ogdoad) was developed consisting of the
following: Thought, Grace, Silence, Mind, Truth, Man, Ecclesia, and Sophia.
Although lists do vary, this is a sound representation. From this ogdoad
evolve all lower realms of being. An important aspect of Gnosticism is found
in the Valentinian scheme of the threefold distinction; Pneumatic Man;
Noetic/Psychic Man; and, Somatic/Hylic Man.
Although the modern Church no longer recognizes Valentinus, he is remembered
in a rather mundane sense by the continuing remembrance as through the
observation of Valentine's Day. Much of the modern revivalism of Gnosticism
is patterned after the Valentinian system. This may be due to the fact that
this sect preached that once one received Gnosis, he could no longer sin.
This was interpreted by many as license, or sanctioning, of self-indulgence
and even hedonism. They were a school that had rapid growth and acceptance.
This was probably due to the fact that the school encouraged a sense of
speculation that reached beyond the rigid confines of conformistic thinking.
Independent thinking and expression was highly preached and supported.
**Excerpts "OF TIME AND MAGICAL INTENT: PART 1" by Soror Kalah, Reprinted
from "Thelema" and "The Sistrum, I:1"**
Via Combusta
Every month the Moon makes a zodiacal passage spending about 2 * days per
sign. The 30° between 15° Libra and 15° Scorpio is known as the Via Combusta
or Fiery Way. An enterprise begun when the Moon is there will suffer
unaccountable reverses not indicated by the rest of the chart. In horary
astrology, a question asked when the Moon is in the Via Combusta produces an
invalid (unreadable) chart, meaning that one can draw no conclusions on the
basis of that chart. (In fact, the chart’s advice is "Forget it.")
Frequently, just the opposite of what one intends is produced. When the Moon
is in the Via Combusta, astrological rules cannot guide us, and the chart as a
whole fails – a very interesting fact indeed.
Invalid Ascendant
Traditionally it was held that a rising degree of less than 3° and more than
27° indicates that the question or project being considered has something
wrong with it; regardless of what the rest of the chart indicates, the matter
should not be pursued in the time frame being considered. A very early degree
rising (less than 3°) shows that the idea is immature in some important way,
that something remains to be included in the plans. An ascendant of 27° or
more shows that the idea is overripe, the ‘thrust’ of the effort has been
spent and it is time for something new to take its place. I have found this
rule eerily unfailing. Some astrologers make an exception to this rule if the
early or late ascendant is conjunct one of the operator’s natal planes within
ten minutes of arc or less. I would not use this exception for a late
ascendant at all; if the operator has a fairly well-conditioned inner planet
(Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, or Mars) very early in a sign, that !
planet could be used exactly conjunct the electional ascendant. The natal
Mars should be very good indeed for its power on the ascendant is very great.
**World Wide Web Links of Interest"
http://www.QBLH.org -- Official Web Site of the Hermetic and Alchemical Order
of QBLH
http://www.QBLH.org/~tala/ -- Under construction - Official Web Site of the
Central Lodge of QBLH -- Lodge Baphomet
http://www.luxorpress.com -- Web Site of Luxor Press, Inc., occult book
publisher and dealer; publisher of "The Sistrum", "Liber XXXI" and more!
http://www.AvatarSearch.com -- Search Engine of the Occult Internet
http://www.levity.com/alchemy/ -- Adam McLean's extensive collection of
Alchemy texts and graphics.
http://www.kessingerpub.com/ -- World's largest dealer of rare and out of
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THE REDISCOVERY OF SABBATAI ZEVI
Date:
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Date: 11/4/98 5:54:43 PM Central Standard Time
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Shalom Chaverim!
>
Something remarkable is happening on the internet: scholars and
lay-people, Jews and non-Jews from all over the world -- Russia, Israel,
Germany, America -- are rediscovering the 17th century Jewish Messiah
and avatar, Sabbatai Zevi who preached a doctrine of "Holy Tikkun," or
the mystical reconcilliation of Judaism, Christianity and Islam through
the principles of Lurianic Kabbalah.
>
You're invited to join the location of this activity, THE DONMEH, a
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>
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>
I hope to see you there.
>
Raising up the Holy Sparks together,
>
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(DONMEH-L Moderator)
>
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of the hostile powers, rather than the collapse of a vain thing?"
>
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[DONMEH] Re: HOW TO MAKE TIKKUN THE EASY WAY
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Re: Maharishi effect
Post which follows--
About a year ago, someone described a scientific principle to me which
is similar to this effect. It's called the 1% solution which states
that, for example, if you have a solution and introduce salt into it in
the quantity of 1%, the entire solution now has the quality of
saltiness--it has been transformed.
I am also reminded of the western university (maybe Arizona?) which did
a study on the effects of prayer upon people with illnesses. The study
found that the people who received prayers improved significantly and
much more quickly than those who had no one praying for them. There was
an empirical correlation to the results.
So, what I am thinking is that it is good that we live in a time when it
is possible to validate some of these things with outside testing. But,
for those of us who meditate now and in the past for the good of
all--monks, priests, rabbis, gurus, murshids, etc., this only validates
what has been known and experienced or felt to be valid through the
centuries. . . .
Yona
>From: TomH59@aol.com
>Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:19:06 EST
>To: DONMEH@onelist.com
>Reply-to: DONMEH@onelist.com
>Subject: [DONMEH] Re: HOW TO MAKE TIKKUN THE EASY WAY
>
>From: TomH59@aol.com
>
>Thanks for sending the practice of making Tikkunim by using positive
>intention. There are similar Mahayana Buddhist practices, Sufi
practices,
>Mystical Christian practices, and Hindu karma yoga. A similar use of
>intention is also at the foundation of Pagan "white magical" practices.
>Intention is also at the basis of much of the positive thinking school
>too, but this is often employed for personal gain rather than universal
>upliftment. When such practices are used for self-advantage at th3e
>expense of others or for destructive purposes, they are called "black
>magic." According to most traditions, the forcefulness of the intention
>is directly proportional to the degree of empowerment of the awareness
>entertaining it, and the positivity or negativity depends on the
quality
>of the intent. Thus, there are said to be forces of "good," that is, of
>unification and spiritual reality, and also forces of "evil," that is,
of
>selfishness, separateness, and deepening of the cosmic illusion which
is
>spiritual ignorance.
>
>Interestingly, in Yoga and Vedanta, a similar result is accomplished
for
>all "sparks" without intention with respect to any specific sparks.
>According to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, for instance, when one
"transcends,"
>i.e., experiences transcendental consciousness (samadhi or turiya), the
>ground state of the Unified Field is reached in supramental experience.
>This results in the enlivenment of the inherent energy and intelligence
>(devata) of the field structure (Veda). As a result the entire field
>response by becoming more lively with creative intelligence. The laws
of
>nature (devas) wake up, so to speak, and operate more efficiently,
since
>they are less burdened by gross consciousness, characterized by enertia
>(tamas) and selfish desire (rajas). When the knower (rishi value) is
>awake in itself (in a person in samadhi), then the process of knowing
>(devata value) is empowered so that the known (cchandas value) takes on
>its true value as Reality instead of being under the delusion of
>appearance. This happens not only for the one experiencing samadhi, but
>also for the entire field. A great deal of scientific research has lent
>strong confirmation to this hypothesis. Appended is a summary from a
>publication written under Mararishi's guidance. (Asterisks in the text
>indicate footnotes which have been omitted in this citation.)
>
>
> The Maharishi Effect
>
>"In 1974 it was discovered in four cities in the U.S.A. that when the
>number of people participating in the Transcendental Meditation
Programme
>reached one per cent of the city's population, the trend of rising
crime
>rate was reversed, indicating increasing order and harmony in the life
of
>the whole city.
>
>"Research scientists named this phenomenon of rising coherence in the
>collective consciousness of the whole society the Maharishi Effect, in
>honour of Maharishi, who predicted this effect as early as 1960, at
about
>the time he started his worldwide movement of Transcendental
Meditation.
>Research involving several hundred other cities subsequently replicated
>this original finding.
>
>"The Extended Maharishi Effect: In 1976, with the introduction of the
>more advanced TM-Sidhi Programme, a more powerful effect was expected.
>The first major test of Maharishi's prediction took place in 1978
during
>Maharishi's Global Ideal Society Campaign in 108 countries: crime rate
>was reduced everywhere.
>
>"This global research demonstrated a new formula: the square root of
one
>per cent of a population practicing the Transcendental Meditation and
>TM-Sidhi Programme morning and evening together in one place is
>sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and promote positive
trends
>throughout the whole population. This much-reduced requirement -- in
many
>cases just a few hundred individuals practicing Maharishi's Vedic
>Technology of Transcendental Meditation and the TM-Sidhi Programme to
>bring life in accordance with Natural Law for a whole nation - enabled
>this discovery to be repeatedly verified on the city, provincial, and
>nationallevels.
>
>"The Global Maharishi Effect was created when Maharishi promoted Yogic
>Flying in large groups-approximately the square root of one per cent of
>the world's population.
>
>"Through the Global Maharishi Effect, the 'field effect' was witnessed,
>strengthening positive and harmonious trends in world consciousness.
>
>"The greatest evidence of this effect was when the enmity between the
two
>superpowers (Soviet Union and U.S.A.) ended in a friendly handshake
>(1988).
>
>"The phenomenon of the Maharishi Effect (like the phenomenon of the
>Meissner* Effect in Physics) discovered by scientists has repeatedly
>verified that coherence in collective consciousness and positivity and
>harmony in national consciousness is produced by the group practice of
>Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation. This has proved to be a formula
to
>create irreversible world peace and Heaven on Earth - all good to
>everyone and non-good to no one - the basis of a coherent, integrated
>society and a perfect government.
>
>"With this, the two thousand year old gospel of suffering is soon
coming
>to an end, and a new civilization, Vedic Civilization of enlightenment
>and fulfillment, is dawning.*
>
>"Many carefully controlled experiments on the Maharishi Effect have
>appeared in leading scientific journals such as the Journal of Conflict
>Resolution, Journal of Crime and Justice, Social Indicators Research,
and
>Journal of Mind and Behavior.
>
>"These studies have utilized the most advanced and rigorous research
>designs and statistical methodologies (time series impact assessment
>analysis, a special case of Box-Jenkins transfer function analysis) to
>precisely evaluate the effect of large coherence creating groups on
>standard sociological measures of the quality of life in cities,
>provinces, nations, and the world.
>
>"These studies have rigorously demonstrated the power of the Maharishi
>Effect to a degree of certainty that is unparalleled in the
sociological
>sciences, and even in the physical sciences. Thus the Maharishi Effect
>has been more extensively documented and thoroughly established than
any
>other phenomenon in the field of scientific research. The Maharishi
>Effect in itself proves the existence of the Unified Field of Natural
Law
>and man's ability to operate from this level.
>
>"The Maharishi Effect is rising in the world. World consciousness is
>being constantly purified. Already a new awakening of freedom is being
>witnessed in the world. The transformation of political, economic, and
>social values is taking place in the whole world with a fast pace.
>
>"As the Maharishi Effect is purifying world consciousness, old
principles
>that were guiding life in the age of ignorance are being replaced by
new
>principles that will guide life in the world in the dawning Age of
>Enlightenment."
>
>_Maharishi Vedic University: Introduction_
>India, Maharishi Prakshan, 1995, pp. 2277-283
>
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Subject:
[DONMEH] Re: HOW TO MAKE TIKKUN THE EASY WAY
Date:
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From:
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To:
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Subj: [DONMEH] Re: HOW TO MAKE TIKKUN THE EASY WAY
Date: 11/5/98 7:04:58 AM Central Standard Time
From: yona_@hotmail.com (Patricia L)
Reply-to: DONMEH@onelist.com
To: DONMEH@onelist.com
From: "Patricia L"
Re: Maharishi effect
Post which follows--
About a year ago, someone described a scientific principle to me which
is similar to this effect. It's called the 1% solution which states
that, for example, if you have a solution and introduce salt into it in
the quantity of 1%, the entire solution now has the quality of
saltiness--it has been transformed.
I am also reminded of the western university (maybe Arizona?) which did
a study on the effects of prayer upon people with illnesses. The study
found that the people who received prayers improved significantly and
much more quickly than those who had no one praying for them. There was
an empirical correlation to the results.
So, what I am thinking is that it is good that we live in a time when it
is possible to validate some of these things with outside testing. But,
for those of us who meditate now and in the past for the good of
all--monks, priests, rabbis, gurus, murshids, etc., this only validates
what has been known and experienced or felt to be valid through the
centuries. . . .
Yona
>From: TomH59@aol.com
>Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:19:06 EST
>To: DONMEH@onelist.com
>Reply-to: DONMEH@onelist.com
>Subject: [DONMEH] Re: HOW TO MAKE TIKKUN THE EASY WAY
>
>From: TomH59@aol.com
>
>Thanks for sending the practice of making Tikkunim by using positive
>intention. There are similar Mahayana Buddhist practices, Sufi
practices,
>Mystical Christian practices, and Hindu karma yoga. A similar use of
>intention is also at the foundation of Pagan "white magical" practices.
>Intention is also at the basis of much of the positive thinking school
>too, but this is often employed for personal gain rather than universal
>upliftment. When such practices are used for self-advantage at th3e
>expense of others or for destructive purposes, they are called "black
>magic." According to most traditions, the forcefulness of the intention
>is directly proportional to the degree of empowerment of the awareness
>entertaining it, and the positivity or negativity depends on the
quality
>of the intent. Thus, there are said to be forces of "good," that is, of
>unification and spiritual reality, and also forces of "evil," that is,
of
>selfishness, separateness, and deepening of the cosmic illusion which
is
>spiritual ignorance.
>
>Interestingly, in Yoga and Vedanta, a similar result is accomplished
for
>all "sparks" without intention with respect to any specific sparks.
>According to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, for instance, when one
"transcends,"
>i.e., experiences transcendental consciousness (samadhi or turiya), the
>ground state of the Unified Field is reached in supramental experience.
>This results in the enlivenment of the inherent energy and intelligence
>(devata) of the field structure (Veda). As a result the entire field
>response by becoming more lively with creative intelligence. The laws
of
>nature (devas) wake up, so to speak, and operate more efficiently,
since
>they are less burdened by gross consciousness, characterized by enertia
>(tamas) and selfish desire (rajas). When the knower (rishi value) is
>awake in itself (in a person in samadhi), then the process of knowing
>(devata value) is empowered so that the known (cchandas value) takes on
>its true value as Reality instead of being under the delusion of
>appearance. This happens not only for the one experiencing samadhi, but
>also for the entire field. A great deal of scientific research has lent
>strong confirmation to this hypothesis. Appended is a summary from a
>publication written under Mararishi's guidance. (Asterisks in the text
>indicate footnotes which have been omitted in this citation.)
>
>
> The Maharishi Effect
>
>"In 1974 it was discovered in four cities in the U.S.A. that when the
>number of people participating in the Transcendental Meditation
Programme
>reached one per cent of the city's population, the trend of rising
crime
>rate was reversed, indicating increasing order and harmony in the life
of
>the whole city.
>
>"Research scientists named this phenomenon of rising coherence in the
>collective consciousness of the whole society the Maharishi Effect, in
>honour of Maharishi, who predicted this effect as early as 1960, at
about
>the time he started his worldwide movement of Transcendental
Meditation.
>Research involving several hundred other cities subsequently replicated
>this original finding.
>
>"The Extended Maharishi Effect: In 1976, with the introduction of the
>more advanced TM-Sidhi Programme, a more powerful effect was expected.
>The first major test of Maharishi's prediction took place in 1978
during
>Maharishi's Global Ideal Society Campaign in 108 countries: crime rate
>was reduced everywhere.
>
>"This global research demonstrated a new formula: the square root of
one
>per cent of a population practicing the Transcendental Meditation and
>TM-Sidhi Programme morning and evening together in one place is
>sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and promote positive
trends
>throughout the whole population. This much-reduced requirement -- in
many
>cases just a few hundred individuals practicing Maharishi's Vedic
>Technology of Transcendental Meditation and the TM-Sidhi Programme to
>bring life in accordance with Natural Law for a whole nation - enabled
>this discovery to be repeatedly verified on the city, provincial, and
>nationallevels.
>
>"The Global Maharishi Effect was created when Maharishi promoted Yogic
>Flying in large groups-approximately the square root of one per cent of
>the world's population.
>
>"Through the Global Maharishi Effect, the 'field effect' was witnessed,
>strengthening positive and harmonious trends in world consciousness.
>
>"The greatest evidence of this effect was when the enmity between the
two
>superpowers (Soviet Union and U.S.A.) ended in a friendly handshake
>(1988).
>
>"The phenomenon of the Maharishi Effect (like the phenomenon of the
>Meissner* Effect in Physics) discovered by scientists has repeatedly
>verified that coherence in collective consciousness and positivity and
>harmony in national consciousness is produced by the group practice of
>Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation. This has proved to be a formula
to
>create irreversible world peace and Heaven on Earth - all good to
>everyone and non-good to no one - the basis of a coherent, integrated
>society and a perfect government.
>
>"With this, the two thousand year old gospel of suffering is soon
coming
>to an end, and a new civilization, Vedic Civilization of enlightenment
>and fulfillment, is dawning.*
>
>"Many carefully controlled experiments on the Maharishi Effect have
>appeared in leading scientific journals such as the Journal of Conflict
>Resolution, Journal of Crime and Justice, Social Indicators Research,
and
>Journal of Mind and Behavior.
>
>"These studies have utilized the most advanced and rigorous research
>designs and statistical methodologies (time series impact assessment
>analysis, a special case of Box-Jenkins transfer function analysis) to
>precisely evaluate the effect of large coherence creating groups on
>standard sociological measures of the quality of life in cities,
>provinces, nations, and the world.
>
>"These studies have rigorously demonstrated the power of the Maharishi
>Effect to a degree of certainty that is unparalleled in the
sociological
>sciences, and even in the physical sciences. Thus the Maharishi Effect
>has been more extensively documented and thoroughly established than
any
>other phenomenon in the field of scientific research. The Maharishi
>Effect in itself proves the existence of the Unified Field of Natural
Law
>and man's ability to operate from this level.
>
>"The Maharishi Effect is rising in the world. World consciousness is
>being constantly purified. Already a new awakening of freedom is being
>witnessed in the world. The transformation of political, economic, and
>social values is taking place in the whole world with a fast pace.
>
>"As the Maharishi Effect is purifying world consciousness, old
principles
>that were guiding life in the age of ignorance are being replaced by
new
>principles that will guide life in the world in the dawning Age of
>Enlightenment."
>
>_Maharishi Vedic University: Introduction_
>India, Maharishi Prakshan, 1995, pp. 2277-283
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or
>service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit
>http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information.
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Subject: [DONMEH] Re: HOW TO MAKE TIKKUN THE EASY WAY
Subject:
Re: GBH a.k.a. Mr Savvy
Date:
Tue, 03 Nov 1998 15:31:35 -0500
From:
Randall Shortridge
Organization:
State University of New York
To:
"McGuire, Andy"
CC:
Andy Mcguire ,
Kathleen McGuire , "R. Trent Reynolds" ,
Theurgus@aol.com, jswick@cris.com, proclus@mac.com, rpcman@hotmail.com,
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References:
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I agree that GBH is a very PR savvy individual, but to me this is all fluff.
Remember that Enoch was slow of speech and referred to as a wild man. I guess I
would rather see less fluff and more substance. Where could I get some
difficult questions answered in a candid and honest fashion without getting beat
about the ears with "you don't need to know that" (ie. remain ignorant) and
"follow the prophet" (ie. don't bother us with things like this again).
Maybe I am speaking blasphemy, but I am not too favorably impressed with
HInckley. When I was on my mission, he visited us and spoke to us
missionaries. He definately enjoyed being the center of attention and I could
see pride all over him like stink on manure.
Randall.
"McGuire, Andy" wrote:
> Mike,
>
> You wrote....
>
> ******************
> It is difficult for me to consider GBH a "corporate neophobe" these
> days, though. Maybe once upon a time. He recently visited Boston. He
> is at home in the modern world, media-savvy, and techno-literate. I
> think that is quite remarkable for a man his age. He is simultaneously
> brilliant and disarming, spiritual and pragmatic. Furthermore, he has
> the face of a homely angel. I'm caught in his spell. Kiss the frog! =}
> ******************
>
> All of the good things you say about GBH above could be explained by one
> thing: A professional 'handler' who is paid to make sure the world sees him
> this way. I am reminded of the way Adolf Hitler used to film himself
> delivering a speech then use it as a tool to refine his delivery. OK. Now
> that I have pissed of the Mutant List by drawing a parallel between Grandpa
> Gordon and Uncle Dolf, let me back down a bit.
>
> Hinkley probably is all of the things you say, and in the genuine measure,
> not as a result of professional handling. But one thing remains:
>
> THE CHURCH IS A CONSERVATIVE CORPORATE ENTITY. Period. End of discussion.
> Yes, they move swiftly to embrace technology and technique. But when it
> comes to PEOPLE and MORALS and THEOLOGY, they are lagging just one or two
> decades behind consensual reality. As time goes by, they lag further and
> become (comparatively) more conservative. In some areas they even move
> backward. Part of this is the quest to become mainstream. This would not
> bother me except for the fact that the church used to be WAY OUT THERE and
> darned proud of it.
>
> Finally to my last gripe. During the last general conference, GBH refers to
> "..so called gays and lesbians..." What is this "so called" crap? Kathleen
> IS lesbian. Slick Rick WAS gay. I AM bisexual. There is no "so called"
> about it. Does this mean that I get to call GBH a "so called straight"? I
> wonder if GBH has ever spent a few hours with a gay man talking to him in an
> honest effort to get inside of his psyche and really try to understand. If
> not, I could line up just one or two volunteers.
>
> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gripe and moan.
>
> -Andy
>
> PS My spell checker wanted to replace GBH with GmBH, the German equivalent
> of Inc. or Corp. How revealing.
Subject:
[DONMEH] THE TIKKUN OF SABBATIAN HOLY APOSTASY: PART I
Date:
Thu, 05 Nov 1998 20:39:27 -0500 (EST)
From:
Theurgus@aol.com
To:
Theurgus@aol.com, proclus@mac.com, MCGUIREA@a1.bellhow.com, kathleen@enol.com,
trent@goodnet.com, jswick@cris.com, rds@acsu.buffalo.edu, rpcman@hotmail.com,
dcombe@rain.org
Subj: [DONMEH] THE TIKKUN OF SABBATIAN HOLY APOSTASY: PART I
Date: 11/5/98 8:42:30 AM Central Standard Time
From: tiferet@hotmail.com (Yakov Leib HaKohain)
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From: "Yakov Leib HaKohain"
My dear Chaverim,
Just as AMIRAH entered the "Maw of Satan" (as Jesus had done before him,
incidently) to retrieve its Holy Sparks by conversion to Islam, Frank
also did by bringing his followers into Christianity. Thus, Sabbatai's
Tiqqun was between Isaac (YH = the Sephardim) and Ishmael (VH = the
Gentiles of Asia Minor); while Frank's was between Jacob (YH = the
Ashkenazim) and Esau (VH = the Gentiles of the Western Hemisphere).
Early Christianity was based on pursuing this same Tiqqun, as shown in
Paul's Letter to the Ephesians: "Do not forget, then, that there was a
time when you Gentiles . . . had no Messiah and were excluded from
membership in Israel, aliens with no part in the covenants with their
Promise; you were immersed in this world [i.e., Assiah], without hope
and without God. But now in Messiah Jesus, you [Gentiles] that used to
be so far apart from us [Jews] have been brought very close, by the
blood of Christ. For he is the peace between us, and has made the two
into one and broken down the hostility [between us] . . . This was to
create one single New Man in himself out of the two of them [Jew and
Gentile] and by restoring peace through the cross unite them both [i.e.,
Tiqqun] in a single body and reconcile them to God." (Eph. 2:11-17)
It is this "cross," this sacrifice of oneself for the Tiqqun of Jew and
Gentile, that both Sabbatai and Frank, like Jesus before them, took up
by their Holy Apostasies to Islam and Christianity. The same can be
taken up, even today, by those of us who look to that day when "YHVH
shall be One and His Name shall be One."
In Part II of this series, I'll consider the alternatives to Holy
Apostasy by which the same tikkunim can be achieved without the
requirement of formal conversion by Jews to other religions, or visa
versa.
Raising up the Holy Sparks together,
Yankif Leib
(DONMEH-L Moderator)
"When you are fit to come to Esau then the curse will be lifted from off
the earth." -- Yakov Leib Frank
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