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Re: green sash
Date:
Thu, 24 Jun 1999 02:35:10 +0000
From:
"Robert R. Black"
To:
proclus ,
Andy Mcguire ,
ArtdeHoyos ,
Beth any , Dave ,
Enoch Shemna ,
Joe Steve Swick III ,
Kathleen McGuire ,
Ken Shaw ,
Kerry Shirts ,
"Michael J. Pierce" ,
onandagus@webtv.net, "R. Trent Reynolds" ,
Randall Shortridge ,
rpc man
References:
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Proclus,
<<. The mind races ahead to the flaxen cord of the BOM >>
The reference is to a necktie. I thought everyone knew this.
Robert.
----- Original Message -----
From: proclus
To: Andy Mcguire ArtdeHoyos
Beth any Dave Enoch Shemna
Joe Steve Swick III Kathleen
McGuire Ken Shaw Kerry Shirts
Michael J. Pierce
proclus R. Trent Reynolds
Randall Shortridge Robert R.
Black rpc man
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 1:24 AM
Subject: green sash
> Thanks for that interesting link to the masonic southern jurisdiction
> and temple in Washington. I particularly enjoyed the regalia of the
> scottish rite degrees. Of course, I was looking for a green sash.
> Gawain is my hobby, you know. In this regard, the regalia of the 15th
> degree is particularly interesting. The green on red is a motif
> throughout Gawain's story. Stiking how this is the first degree with
> the title of knight. =}
>
> Here's the link again, for those who want it, and a link right to the
> regalia as well. Fascinating stuff.
>
> http://www.srmason-sj.org/index.html
> http://www.srmason-sj.org/council/temple/regalia.htm
>
> Andy may appreciate that I was also intrigued by the 23rd degree, Chief
> of the tabernacle. Chapel Perilous awaits us. The 28th Degree Knight
> of the Sun, Prince Adept regalia was also intriguing in light of the
> stellar initiation material we have discussed from the the Golden Dawn
> and others. I imagine that it harks back to the blue lodge degrees as
> well. The mind races ahead to the flaxen cord of the BOM and the
> Starhawk's binding rituals as well. It appears that there is an
> invisible link between us and our home among the stars. Heh, I'll stop
> for now, before my mind races too far ;-}.
>
> Regards,
> proclus
>
>
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Re: green sash
Date:
Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:47:49 -0600
From:
Kerry Shirts
To:
proclus
References:
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----- Original Message -----
From: proclus
To: Andy Mcguire ArtdeHoyos
Beth any Dave Enoch Shemna
Joe Steve Swick III Kathleen
McGuire Ken Shaw Kerry Shirts
Michael J. Pierce
proclus R. Trent Reynolds
Randall Shortridge Robert R.
Black rpc man
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 7:24 PM
Subject: green sash
> Thanks for that interesting link to the masonic southern jurisdiction
> and temple in Washington. I particularly enjoyed the regalia of the
> scottish rite degrees. Of course, I was looking for a green sash.
> Gawain is my hobby, you know. In this regard, the regalia of the 15th
> degree is particularly interesting. The green on red is a motif
> throughout Gawain's story. Stiking how this is the first degree with
> the title of knight. =}
>
> Here's the link again, for those who want it, and a link right to the
> regalia as well. Fascinating stuff.
Kerry says:
Hey! Are you trying to get mystical on us again - GRIN!
Subject:
Pike and the Klan
Date:
Thu, 24 Jun 1999 02:33:21 -0700
From:
Joe Steve Swick III
To:
Enoch Shemna , ArtdeHoyos@aol.com,
proclus@mac.com, MCGUIREA@a1.bellhow.com,
ariel144@hotmail.com, comdb@yahoo.com, kathleen@enol.com,
shirtail@cyberhighway.net, mpierce@switchsoft.com,
onandagus@webtv.net, trent@goodnet.com, rds@acsu.buffalo.edu,
black@accex.net, rpcman@hotmail.com, kshaw@dalsemi.com
References:
1 , 2
___Todd J. Jumper___
I would like to bring to this list or either Joe and Art some quotes that
Anthony J. Hilder blasts all over his material justifying his reasons for
saying they are true. I will then ask him where he got his sources and make
up my mind from there.
-----
Personally, I'd love to see the quotes. I'm sure that this would be
interesting for folks on any side of this issue.
___Todd J. Jumper___
One thing he told me is that Albert Pike started the Ku Klux Klan? Is that
correct?
-----
The short answer: No (see
http://users.uniserve.com/~ttrevor/anti-masonry_faq.html#pike).The Klan was
founded in Pulaski Tennessee by Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest
(a native of that place) and five others (known as the "Pulaski Six") in
late December 1865, in the law offices of Judge Thomas Jones. Forrest became
its elected leader in 1867. The composition of the Klan oath and ritual is
attributed to Confederate General George W. Gordon. Initially it was a
social/fraternal club for Confederate veterans, apparently modeled along
Masonic lines. However, it soon became a vigilante group known for violent
coercion and intimidation (http://hatewatch.org/klan/kkk1.html). According
to historian and noted Pike biographer Walter Lee Brown, no reliable
evidence exists that Albert Pike was EVER a member, and certainly not an
organizer or founder of the Klan:
"Denied access to the ballott box, the disfrachised Confederates turned to
extra legal methods to aid the Democratic cause in 1868. They made the Ku
Klux Klan, originally a social organization, a vigilante's association and
used it to intimidate blacks into absenting themselves from the polls. I
have found no contemporary, nor no reliable late evidence that Pike ever
joined the Klan. Yet in at least three
unreliable histories of the Klan it is stated that he was either attorney
general or a high-ranking official of the order. Allen W. Trelease, the most
recent and most authoritative historian of the Klan casts doubt on Pike's
membership. The Prescript, or constitution of the order provides for no such
officer he says" (Brown, A Life of Albert Pike Albert Pike, Fayetteville:
University of Arkansas Press, 1997, p. 439).
Yet, while there is no evidence that Pike was a member, founder or organizer
of the Ku Klux Klan, nor that he approved of its violent activities, it does
appear that he was sympathetic with some of its fundamental aims. After all,
Pike had served as a general for the Confederacy. What troubled men like
Pike was the shape of the postwar Reconstruction efforts.
While slaves had been freed by Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation, this was
a far cry from full citizenship and rights of suffrage for Blacks. During
his debates with Stephen Douglas, Lincoln himself had stated that "I have no
purpose to produce political and social equality. I am not in favor of
making voters or jurors of Negroes or of qualifying them to hold office."
And, he had also said "frankly ... I am not in favor of Negro
citizenship.... Now my opinion is that the different states have the power
to make a Negro a citizen under the Constitution of the United States if
they choose...If the state of Illinois had that power I should be opposed to
the exercise of it." Plainly, these things had NOT been settled by the
Civil War, and the South moved very slowly on resolving these issues.
The North --led by Radical Republicans who desired to both punish the South
and force quick change-- responded by refusing to recognize the legitimacy
of postwar-elected Southern officials, and by refusing to re-admit them to
the Union. It divided the South into military districts, denied
ex-Confederates the right to vote or bear arms, often tried the same and
punished them without the benefit of a court, and threatened permanent
military governments unless southern states ratified the 14th Amendment of
the Constitution, and adopted Black suffrage. While they were justified as a
response to continued civil rights violations by the South, clearly and by
any accounting, the various measures used to force Reconstruction were
harsh.
While the "reconstructed" states of Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia,
Louisiana, and North and South Carolina had been re-admitted to the Union by
June 1868, most of the state governors, representatives and senators were
Northern politicians, primarily allied with newly-freed Blacks. During this
time, newly-freed Black Americans actually gained majorities in some state
legislatures. Full citizenship and suffrage of Blacks was a hot issue, with
many Southern Whites fearing sudden loss of social order and political
power. Given this background, Pike's public comments are at least
understandable. Said he: "The man, or set of men, that denies me the right
to vote in the State in which I live, is not my political opponent, he is my
personal enemy and deadly foe" (Brown 439). And, like Lincoln, Pike did not
believe in Black suffrage. Notes Brown:
"Pike is believed to have mentioned the Ku Klux Klan once in his editorials
for the Appeal. This was April 16, 1868, in reply to an accusation of the
editor of the New York Tribune that the southern press had neglected its
duty in allowing the Klan's activities to go uncriticized. Pike then left
the impression that he neither belonged to the organization nor considered
it worthy of his support: 'We do not know what the Ku-Klux organization may
become, if it ever becomes anything. It is quite certain that it will never
come to much on its original plan. It must become quite another thing to be
efficient.' But Pike definately saw possibilities for ex-Confederates in an
'efficient' Klan.
" 'The disfranchised people of the South, robbed of the guarantees of the
Constitution... can find no protection for property, liberty, or life,
except in a secret association. NOT IN SUCH AN ASSOCIATION TO COMMIT
FOLLIES
AND OUTRAGES; but for mutual, PEACEFUL, LAWFUL, self-defence. If it were
in
our power, if it could be effected, we would unite every white man in the
South, who is OPPOSED TO NEGRO SUFFRAGE, into one great Order of Souther
Brotherhood, with an organization complete, active, vigorous, in which a few
should execute the concentrated will of all, and whose very existence should
be concealed from all but its members. This has been the resort of the
oppressed in all ages. To resort to it is a right given by God [if the
people were not already] so entirely sunken in the apathy of hopeless
despair as not to have energy enough to unite for anything'"(Brown, Pike,
439-440).
In 1869 -- a year after Pike's remarks -- Forrest quite properly ordered the
Klan to be disbanded, due to a disturbing tendancy towards violence and
brutality, both towards Blacks and the "agents" of the Federal government.
Within a few years, it was virtually defunct. The Klan was revived on the
wave of popularity for the 1915 W.D. Griffith classic, "Birth of a Nation."
This film was based on the Thomas Dixon novel, "The Clansman," and glorified
and romanticised the group as the "salvation of the South during
Reconstruction," which myth was perpetuated by many Confederate groups at
the turn of the century.
I am aware that others claim for Pike a role in the formation of the Klan,
or at least in the creation of its ritual. For example, the current Knights
of the Ku Klux Klan website states: "When the Klan was re-organized in 1915,
by Col. Simmons in Stone Mountain, Georgia, he patterned the Klan after a
fraternity. The early 1900's was a time of fraternities. The nation was
seeing prosperous times and many fraternities sprung up around the country.
Col. Simmons with the help of Albert Pike who was a great fraternalist,
created for the Klan an aura of secrecy, ceremony, etc."
Of course, this is clearly impossible, since Albert Pike died in April of
1891. If Col. Simmons recieved any help from Albert Pike in 1915, it came
only from the great body of work which Pike left in his passing.
So... lots of talking just to say "no, he didn't," but I wished to properly
frame Pike's remarks as quoted by Brown.
Regards,
JSW
Subject:
Nazi Mormons???
Date:
Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:15:15 -0400
From:
"McGuire, Andy"
To:
ArtdeHoyos ,
Beth any , Dave ,
Enoch Shemna ,
Joe Steve Swick III ,
Kathleen McGuire ,
Ken Shaw ,
Kerry Shirts ,
"Michael J. Pierce" , onandagus@webtv.net,
proclus ,
"R. Trent Reynolds" ,
Randall Shortridge ,
"Robert R. Black" , rpc man
I just checked up on the Radical Mormon site and saw the Nazi Mormon link.
Followed it. Just about fell off my chair laughing. The section in there
that describes a Nazi Mormon (lives within shouting distance of BYU, etc...)
is from an article by Robert Kirby, "The Five Types of Mormons", a wicked
and biting piece of humor. It amazes and amuses me that some poor schmuck
TOOK IT SERIOUSLY.
But Goddess knows -- there's no one like that on THIS mail list.
-Andy
Subject:
Re: green sash
Date:
Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:36:32 -0400
From:
proclus
To:
Andy Mcguire ,
ArtdeHoyos ,
Beth any , Dave ,
Joe Steve Swick III ,
Kathleen McGuire ,
Kerry Shirts ,
"Michael J. Pierce" ,
"onandagus@webtv.net" ,
proclus ,
"R. Trent Reynolds" ,
Randall Shortridge ,
"Robert R. Black" ,
rpc man ,
Ken Shaw ,
Enoch Shemna
References:
1 , 2
Robert R. Blac k wrote:
>
> Proclus,
>
> <<. The mind races ahead to the flaxen cord of the BOM >>
>
> The reference is to a necktie. I thought everyone knew this.
Whoa! This is so funny, it has to be true ;-}. Actually, I am lately
getting annoyed by the babyonish priesthood uniform (suit and tie). It
seems to be about rich clothing, pride, and separating the monied
leaders from the lowly foot soldiers. I guess I will have to reread
those BOM passages.
Sorry, if this is a duplicate message. My connection is acting up this
morning.
Regards,
proclus
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Subject:
Truth??
Date:
Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:16:10 -0600
From:
"Michael J. Pierce"
To:
"'ArtdeHoyos@aol.com'" ,
jswick@cris.com, proclus@mac.com,
MCGUIREA@a1.bellhow.com, ariel144@hotmail.com,
comdb@yahoo.com, kathleen@enol.com,
shirtail@cyberhighway.net,
"Michael J. Pierce" ,
onandagus@webtv.net, trent@goodnet.com, rds@acsu.buffalo.edu,
black@accex.net, rpcman@hotmail.com, kshaw@dalsemi.com,
enoch144@eagle-net.org
Anti-Masons, anti-Jews, anti-Blacks, anti-Gays, anti-Mormons,
anti-F-I-Bs
(fill-in-the-blank) are welcome to believe anything they want,
and they can
always find a convenient scapegoat for the world's problems.
However, if
their writings become publicly exposed they should logically
feel no more
anger than the group whose alleged "secret teachings" they are
fond of
"exposing."
There are millions of ideas, millions of perspectives. We really don't
know. I have a better idea. I just won't listen to anybody. I have
not gone completely anti society yet but it sounds nice. I have been an
analyzing person my whole life. I started programming computers in
elementray school. And it only got worse since then. It feels good to
feel something that is true. It even stirs up pride. And testifies of
our spirituality. Really that feeling is usually when a logical
analization makes since. 2 + 2 = 4 awwww enlightening that feels
good. I have found that you can find hundreds of those little equations
and come up with the same answer. And then we start talking about
levels. Awww thats even better now all of the equations make sence
depending on where your at and when I found out I was wrong, I wasn't
really wrong I was just on "a different level". Ok now its all in
perspective. Now everything is true for each individual but not true
for something else. Crap, well then if thats the case what is true.
You just don't know. Truth is perspective. Light is understanding.
And I understand that all is crap, and my perspective is my own little
created world. (I guess deep down I am a little frustrated that I have
come to a conclusion that my clever little ideas are worthless, the only
thing it got me was the understanding that there worthless) So all of
the different opionons and beliefs.. What if we new that nostradamus
was perfectly right? Or we new exactly who the anti christ was for
sure? Or we new exactly what was going to happen at the second
comming???? The most disappointing thing would be that when we new all
of this stuff nothing will have changed. And I will still be me. I
will still live day to day. And my relationship with God has not
changed. Lose yourself in me and you will find yourself. I will ask
the group. What is the chances that what I have explained above is
exactly that? "Here is a bunch of BS try to figure it out until you
forget who you are..... Then when you are sick of it wake up and
realize that you were you before you got lost. We seem to keep trying
to be everything, but really we run from ourselves to be nothing."
Enough of that. Its time for a confession. I am the anti-christ and
am sent to balance out the force. The only thing I can't figure out is
how I am going to sleep with the princess that is old enough to be my
mother????
Mike
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ArtdeHoyos@aol.com [SMTP:ArtdeHoyos@aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 9:50 PM
> To: jswick@cris.com; proclus@mac.com; MCGUIREA@a1.bellhow.com;
> ariel144@hotmail.com; comdb@yahoo.com; kathleen@enol.com;
> shirtail@cyberhighway.net; mpierce@switchsoft.com;
> onandagus@webtv.net; trent@goodnet.com; rds@acsu.buffalo.edu;
> black@accex.net; rpcman@hotmail.com; kshaw@dalsemi.com;
> enoch144@eagle-net.org
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Apology]
>
> Hail fellow Mutants,
>
> I admire Joe Steve Swick's sincerity in apologizing to Todd, but have
> to say
> that, considering the crass, dishonest anti-Masonic statements Todd
> made
> (whether public or private), I think Todd's getting a bargain.
>
> I used to be surprised that people who seem intelligent continue to
> spread
> the ridiculous "Lucifer is God" forgery as if it were true (when it
> was
> exposed as a fraud 100 years ago), but I've come to realize that
> gullibility
> has nothing to do with intelligence, but rather everything to do with
> having
> a critical faculty.
>
> It's almost amusing that some uninformed people fear that we Masons
> want to
> run the world; the truth is, we can't even agree on what color to
> paint our
> lodge rooms, or what desert to serve after supper.
>
> The remarks which follow do NOT refer to Todd, but to anti-Masons in
> general.
>
> Anti-Masons, anti-Jews, anti-Blacks, anti-Gays, anti-Mormons,
> anti-F-I-Bs
> (fill-in-the-blank) are welcome to believe anything they want, and
> they can
> always find a convenient scapegoat for the world's problems. However,
> if
> their writings become publicly exposed they should logically feel no
> more
> anger than the group whose alleged "secret teachings" they are fond of
>
> "exposing."
>
> To me, it seems hypocritical that an anti-Mason is allowed to throw
> around
> wild accusations and quote supposed "secret teachings," and then cry
> "foul"
> when his authentic words are exposed.
>
> Anti-Masons, such a Hitler, Franco and Khomeni have been pleased to
> use any
> lie necessary to spread their "good news." As for me, I'm content to
> stand
> with my fellow Masons, including Washington, Franklin, and yes...even
> Joseph
> Smith.
>
>
> ---Art deHoyos, 320, KCCH, KYCH
> "Is It True What They Say About Freemasonry?"
> Find out: -- http://members.aol.com/adehoyos/chap1.htm
> ICQ: 8959739 -- AOL Instant Messenger: artdehoyos
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> * Past Master and endowed life member,
> McAllen Lodge No. 1110, AF&AM of Texas;
> * Past Presiding Officer of all York Rite Bodies
> (Hidalgo York Rite Bodies), McAllen, Texas;
> * Grand Historian and Grand Archivist,
> Supreme Council, 330, Southern Jurisdiction;
> * Member of the Resource Team, Ritual Committee,
> Supreme Council, 330, Southern Jurisdiction;
> * Member of the Board of Directors and life member,
> Scottish Rite Research Society;
> * Grand Archivist; first recipient, Knight Grand Cross,
> Grand College of Rites, USA;
> * Ambassador-at-Large, San Antonio, TX, Valley, AASR;
> * Class Director, Santa Fe, NM, Valley, AASR;
> * Prelate, South Texas Conclave, Corpus Christi, TX,
> Red Cross of Constantine and Appendant Orders;
> * Societatis Rosicruciana in Civitatibus Foederatis;
> * Allied Masonic Degrees;
> * York Rite College;
> * Royal Order of Scotland
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
>
Subject:
Re: Truth??
Date:
Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:58:41 -0400
From:
proclus
To:
Andy Mcguire ,
ArtdeHoyos ,
Beth any ,
Dave ,
Joe Steve Swick III ,
Kathleen McGuire ,
Kerry Shirts ,
"Michael J. Pierce" ,
"onandagus@webtv.net" ,
proclus ,
"R. Trent Reynolds" ,
Randall Shortridge ,
"Robert R. Black" ,
rpc man ,
Ken Shaw ,
Enoch Shemna
References:
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Michael J. Pierce wrote:
> Its time for a confession. I am the anti-christ and
> am sent to balance out the force. The only thing I can't figure out is
> how I am going to sleep with the princess that is old enough to be my
> mother????
> Mike
(proclus takes off his hat to the master of the temple.)
Regards,
proclus
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Subject:
Re: Truth??
Date:
Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:31:52 -0700
From:
Joe Steve Swick III
To:
"Michael J. Pierce" ,
ArtdeHoyos@aol.com, proclus@mac.com,
MCGUIREA@a1.bellhow.com, ariel144@hotmail.com,
comdb@yahoo.com, kathleen@enol.com,
shirtail@cyberhighway.net, onandagus@webtv.net,
trent@goodnet.com, rds@acsu.buffalo.edu,
black@accex.net, rpcman@hotmail.com,
kshaw@dalsemi.com, enoch144@eagle-net.org
References:
1
___Mike___
I am the anti-christ and am sent to balance out the force. The only thing I
can't figure out is how I am going to sleep with the princess that is old
enough to be my mother????
-----
You are ten and she is twelve. It shouldn't be too difficult. My wife is
...err... quite a few years my senior, and by this July 2nd, I will have
been accustomed to her face for some 14 years.
JSW
Subject:
geocities
Date:
Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:09:42 -0400
From:
proclus
To:
Andy Mcguire ,
ArtdeHoyos ,
Beth any ,
Dave ,
Enoch Shemna ,
Joe Steve Swick III ,
Kathleen McGuire ,
Ken Shaw ,
Kerry Shirts ,
"Michael J. Pierce" ,
"onandagus@webtv.net" ,
proclus ,
"R. Trent Reynolds" ,
Randall Shortridge ,
"Robert R. Black" ,
rpc man
It looks like Geocities/Yahoo is usurping the intellectual property
rights of their users. I'm glad that we moved off of Geocities when we
did. It's not hard to spot the blackhats of Cyberspace these days, eh?
I have to admit, that I was starting to get some very bad vibes from
over there. I followed my gut instinct and moved all of the
proclus-realm stuff out as well. Here's the story from Wired.
http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20472.html
Regards,
proclus
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Re: Contra Black
Date:
Wed, 30 Jun 1999 03:43:01 +0000
From:
"Robert R. Black"
To:
Joe Steve Swick III ,
proclus ,
Andy Mcguire ,
ArtdeHoyos ,
Beth any , Dave ,
Enoch Shemna ,
Kathleen McGuire ,
Ken Shaw ,
Kerry Shirts ,
"Michael J. Pierce" ,
onandagus@webtv.net,
"R. Trent Reynolds" ,
Randall Shortridge ,
rpc man
References:
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So, share.
Robert.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Steve Swick III
To: proclus ; Andy Mcguire
;
ArtdeHoyos ; Beth any ;
Dave
; Enoch Shemna ; Kathleen
McGuire
; Ken Shaw ; Kerry Shirts
; Michael J. Pierce ;
; R. Trent Reynolds ; Randall
Shortridge ; Robert R. Black ; rpc
man
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 5:32 AM
Subject: Contra Black
> Also, to any of you who have been following my Libertarian defense of
> legalized polygamy contra Harry Black on A.R.M., and honest appraisal of
the
> quality of my argument would be much appreciated.
>
> I rather think I have right properly "busted him up," but I can always use
> either a few strokes or cogent criticism of my
> technique/presentation/argument.
>
> JSW
>
>
>
Subject:
Re: geocities
Date:
Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:57:13 -0600
From:
Kerry Shirts
To:
proclus
References:
1
good move Proclus!
Kerry
----- Original Message -----
From: proclus
To: Andy Mcguire ; ArtdeHoyos
;
Beth any ; Dave ; Enoch
Shemna
; Joe Steve Swick III ; Kathleen
McGuire ; Ken Shaw ; Kerry
Shirts
; Michael J. Pierce ;
; proclus ; R. Trent Reynolds
; Randall Shortridge ; Robert R.
Black ; rpc man
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 12:09 PM
Subject: geocities
> It looks like Geocities/Yahoo is usurping the intellectual property
> rights of their users. I'm glad that we moved off of Geocities when we
> did. It's not hard to spot the blackhats of Cyberspace these days, eh?
> I have to admit, that I was starting to get some very bad vibes from
> over there. I followed my gut instinct and moved all of the
> proclus-realm stuff out as well. Here's the story from Wired.
>
> http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20472.html
>
> Regards,
> proclus
>
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Subject:
Book of the Words
Date:
Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:39:55 -0700
From:
Joe Steve Swick III
To:
proclus ,
"Robert R. Black"
CC:
Andy Mcguire ,
ArtdeHoyos ,
Beth any , Dave ,
Enoch Shemna ,
Kathleen McGuire ,
Ken Shaw ,
Kerry Shirts ,
"Michael J. Pierce" ,
onandagus@webtv.net,
"R. Trent Reynolds" ,
Randall Shortridge ,
rpc man
References:
1 , 2 , 3
Bro.'. Art:
I just received my bonus copy of Albert Pike's _Sefer HaDebarim_ from the
Scottish Rite Research Society -- what a GREAT book. I have a perfectbound
copy of the same, published by Kessinger; this SRRS printing is of course
far better. Not only is it is easier to read, but the plates and
illustrations are far superior. And of course, it has your introduction,
which I intend to read this evening.
So... how about an authorized reprinting of the LEGENDA?
Warmest Regards,
JSW
More Re: Pike
Date:
Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:28:53 -0700
From:
Joe Steve Swick III
To:
Joe Steve Swick III ,
proclus ,
"Robert R. Black"
CC:
Andy Mcguire ,
ArtdeHoyos ,
Beth any , Dave ,
Enoch Shemna ,
Kathleen McGuire ,
Ken Shaw ,
Kerry Shirts ,
"Michael J. Pierce" ,
onandagus@webtv.net, "R. Trent Reynolds" ,
Randall Shortridge ,
rpc man
BTW, I just had to mention that I have been re-reading A. E. Waite's almost
laughingly harsh criticisms of Pike in his Encyclopedia. After a few soft
words towards the recent and dear departed (which must have been obligatory
given the stature of Pike among American Freemasons), Waite proceeds to flay
Pikes' flesh from his corpse with the skill of one trained in the use of
instruments of torture:
"No man had a greater opportunity and no one a freer hand when he undertook
to revise the Rituals of the Scottish Rite, and he scored only failure. It
would be hard and unnecessary to say that he never improved the originals;
the case against him is that he reconstructed and did not change. The Rite
of Perfection could have been made a perfect Rite, and Ecossais Masonry
might have issued from the alembic as a Masonry of the living God; but
[Pike] lacked the spirit and the fire, the informing fire and the shaping
spirut: the result is therefore that he has bequeathed us Pike's revision"
(Encyclopaedia, 2.278).
Well. Let's just say that Good Arthur had his share of failure with revised
ritual himself, eh.
Of course, some of Waite's observations are quite on the mark. His criticism
of Morals and Dogma (and its unattributed use of Eliphas Levi) was quite
good, and I had to smile when I read his comments regarding the Prince of
Libanus:
"Under the auspices of Albert Pike, [the candidate] is instructed also in
the nobility of work... and if he seems to have heard it before, he has the
satisfaction at least that on this occasion the instruction occupies so many
pages that the famous Grand Commandeer forgets to provide an accolade for
his new Knight...as he forgets also to tell him why it is Royal. Assuredly
Albert Pike was the "Conversation Kenge" of Masonry" (Ibid., 2.302-3)
Zing! It is nice to know that I am not the only one who thinks that
occasionally Pike is a bit tendentious and pedantic.
Of course, he also claims that Pike "manages to obscure" the meaning of some
ritual by "reducing the Christian elements after his invariable manner"
(Ibid, 1.442) Perhaps true. I am quite interested to see how the rituals
will look after the current revisions are completed.
SVAT, Brother,
JSW
Subject:
Contra Black
Date:
Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:32:54 -0700
From:
Joe Steve Swick III
To:
proclus ,
Andy Mcguire ,
ArtdeHoyos ,
Beth any , Dave ,
Enoch Shemna ,
Kathleen McGuire ,
Ken Shaw ,
Kerry Shirts ,
"Michael J. Pierce" ,
onandagus@webtv.net,
"R. Trent Reynolds" ,
Randall Shortridge ,
"Robert R. Black" ,
rpc man
References:
1
Also, to any of you who have been following my Libertarian defense of
legalized polygamy contra Harry Black on A.R.M., and honest appraisal of the
quality of my argument would be much appreciated.
I rather think I have right properly "busted him up," but I can always use
either a few strokes or cogent criticism of my
technique/presentation/argument.
JSW
Subject:
Re: Book of the Words
Date:
Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:33:14 -0600
From:
Kerry Shirts
To:
Joe Steve Swick III ,
proclus ,
"Robert R. Black"
CC:
Andy Mcguire ,
ArtdeHoyos ,
Beth any , Dave ,
Enoch Shemna ,
Kathleen McGuire ,
Ken Shaw ,
"Michael J. Pierce" ,
onandagus@webtv.net,
"R. Trent Reynolds" ,
Randall Shortridge ,
rpc man
References:
1 , 2 , 3 , 4
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Steve Swick III
To: proclus ; Robert R. Black
Cc: Andy Mcguire ; ArtdeHoyos
;
Beth any ; Dave ; Enoch
Shemna
; Kathleen McGuire ; Ken
Shaw
; Kerry Shirts ; Michael J.
Pierce ; ; R. Trent
Reynolds
; Randall Shortridge ; rpc man
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 10:39 PM
Subject: Book of the Words
> Bro.'. Art:
>
> I just received my bonus copy of Albert Pike's _Sefer HaDebarim_ from the
> Scottish Rite Research Society -- what a GREAT book. I have a
perfectbound
> copy of the same, published by Kessinger; this SRRS printing is of course
> far better. Not only is it is easier to read, but the plates and
> illustrations are far superior. And of course, it has your introduction,
> which I intend to read this evening.
>
> So... how about an authorized reprinting of the LEGENDA?